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Old 26th Apr 2017, 21:36   #41 (permalink)
 
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I think of myself as a stealth speeder. My mission is to NEVER, EVER have my driving call attention to me. NO tailgating, NO weaving thru multiple lanes, in fact as few lane changes as possible. No riding the left lane (US). EVERY vehicle on the shoulder, emergency vehicle or not, sees me move to the center or left lane well before passing. Any vehicle entering a motorway, I'm planning his merge before him--slow, accelerate or change lanes. Trucks moving into my lane get a light flash to show he's clear and I aware of his lane change.

But, most of all, keep moving, it's about getting somewhere, not the median strip flower show.

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Old 26th Apr 2017, 22:30   #42 (permalink)
 
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It really hurts to admit this, but I have found that slow right lane hoggers will not move over unless I get undesirably close - presumably if I keep a proper/safe distance they think I am happy to tag along behind.
Flash the lights? Seems to generate road rage, so I avoid that.
In Germany a LH flasher in the LH lane is a strong hint to get out of the way, but a RH flasher does not have the same effect here.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 23:05   #43 (permalink)
 
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I don't move left when flashed from behind (other than by an emergency vehicle, of course). Because I am already, correctly, in the left-most available lane to start with.

If the guy to my left has his cruise control on what he reckons is 70mph but you reckon is 68mph and I'm overtaking him with my cruise control set to what I reckon is 70mph but you reckon is 69mph and you want me to drop back and get out of the way so that you can overtake me 1mph faster again then sorry mate, ain't going to happen.

What does irritate me though is people who speed up and slow down at random, and even worse those who slow down, so you pull out and start overtaking them, then they speed up, so you pull back in behind them, then they slow down, so you pull out and start overtaking them ... OK, I can see how that might piss off the guy behind me, but it's not me he should be cross with!
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 23:24   #44 (permalink)
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What does irritate me though is people who speed up and slow down at random, and even worse those who slow down, so you pull out and start overtaking them, then they speed up, so you pull back in behind them, then they slow down, so you pull out and start overtaking them ...
50 years ago my (only) road car was a track car.
It was capable of 140 mph, but had a small 'sprint' tank which limited how far I could travel without refuelling (and the consumption was very high, particularly at high speed).

It looked unusual, and I would get vehicles overtaking me at my modest cruising speed then slowing down to travel alongside me (thankfully this was way before mobile 'phone cameras and even before 'everybody' carried a camera and photographed everything unusual), but, having rubbernecking drivers in close proximity was not my idea of safety, so after a while when they showed no inclination of disappearing I would push the pedal to the metal and leave them far far behind me - by which time I had usually reached the next convenient service area where I 'needed' to refuel (five star only of course).
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 00:08   #45 (permalink)
 
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If the guy to my left has his cruise control on what he reckons is 70mph but you reckon is 68mph and I'm overtaking him with my cruise control set to what I reckon is 70mph but you reckon is 69mph and you want me to drop back and get out of the way so that you can overtake me 1mph faster again then sorry mate, ain't going to happen.
And this is why speed limits result in traffic bunching, cars driving aggressively, passing in the "travel" lane instead of the passing. Nothing causes accidents more than this selfish driving style. Get out of way and stop trying to enforce the speed limit--it ain't your job.

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Old 27th Apr 2017, 00:42   #46 (permalink)

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And this is why speed limits result in traffic bunching, cars driving aggressively, passing in the "travel" lane instead of the passing. Nothing causes accidents more than this selfish driving style. Get out of way and stop trying to enforce the speed limit--it ain't your job.

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To some extent I agree. If someone is obviously trying to overtake me, I'll let them. I don't try to play traffic cop and I have no right to.

There was one occasion when my son had suffered a very serious accident at boarding school and had been rushed to hospital. I was awoken from my bed in the early hours by the police banging on my bedroom window. They told me I was needed to get to the hospital with extreme urgency because my parental permission was needed for a major operation."Just get there NOW!" was the phrase used. It's the one and only occasion on the public roads when my right foot barely lifted off the accelerator of my BMW for over thirty five miles. It was one of the worst few hours of my life. I went through two speed cameras at well over three figure speeds. Thankfully, my son survived.

I always try to bear in mind that the chap speeding up behind me might be having a similarly bad day and just let him pass unhindered if I can. Even if he's not, I don't want to be involved in his accident.
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I had a similar event when I was seriously injured in an aircraft accident. The squadron CO was told they needed to send a military rep to the hospital 120 miles away and the state troopers had been informed about the need and the high speed car. Speed is less a hazard than weaving, lack of lane discipline, poor courtesy to other operators, distractions, drinks driving, etc.

Strange how this conversation, I had a taxi take me and others from the Addison Arms in Sawtrey to RAF Alconbury Gate one evening. Driver was quite proud of the new car and showed its top speed down the A1(M) at well over 100mph.


EDIT: might have been The Bell in Stilton, it's been awhile. Clearly speed cameras weren't about then.

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Old 27th Apr 2017, 04:14   #48 (permalink)
 
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Flying for an Asian Airline from a country with a max speed limit of 80kph anywhere ( in those days, no idea now. ) we were picked up at the hotel in Germany about 10 minutes late, and I advised the sleek, black, Mercedes Limo driver of this fact, for which he apologised.

I sat up front, and halfway to the airport looked around - into the saucer sized eyes of two crew members angled towards the middle and gazing at the speedometer needle held steadily on 210 kph. ( 130 mph )

Being obliged to meet a 1-1/2 hr standby requirement and living 2 hours from Heathrow, I would drive to a more suitable location for the day, and on one occasion stopped at a roadside telephone box before reaching the chosen venue for the day, and rang back to my wife to ascertain the state of play, so to speak. ( cellphones ? even Bill Gates wasn't a gleam in anyone's eyes at that time )

YES ! she told me, they rang just after you left. That was the day I realised that my little BMW 2002 Touring would maintain a steady 130 mph on the M.3
No average speed bridge cameras of course.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 07:15   #49 (permalink)
 
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It really hurts to admit this, but I have found that slow right lane hoggers will not move over unless I get undesirably close - presumably if I keep a proper/safe distance they think I am happy to tag along behind.
Flash the lights? Seems to generate road rage, so I avoid that.
In Germany a LH flasher in the LH lane is a strong hint to get out of the way, but a RH flasher does not have the same effect here.
The problem with flashing the lights at someone is that it isn't a signal to be found in the Highway Code. What does it mean? Does it mean "you're clear" or does it mean "get out of my way" or does it mean "after you"? You have to assume the context and that leaves room for misunderstanding.

The only flashers I react to to are the ones on police and emergency vehicles as they approach rapidly from either direction. Others only tell me something I already knew and I'll assess relative velocities and make my own decision in my own time whether or not to manoeuvre accordingly.

In Germany, I believe it is the law that you have to get out of the way of a vehicle that wishes to overtake IIRC. Flashing to signal a wish to pass is in the Strassenverkhergesetz IIRC.
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Hardly ever do it myself, but flashing your lights has to have a higher possibility of gaining the attention of a driver who may be quite oblivious of anyone behind him/her.
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Re ANPR. I was on the A7 autoroute on my way down to Marseille airport recently and saw the overhead gantry sign showing a registration number with "trop vite". After a second or two, I thought, "shit, that's me"! A quick check on the speedo and cross check on the GPS showed I was 2kph over the limit. Thinking I had transgressed a temporary limit, I was expecting a fine in the mailbox, but nothing happened! Just a friendly warning I suppose.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 08:02   #52 (permalink)
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Hardly ever do it myself, but flashing your lights has to have a higher possibility of gaining the attention of a driver who may be quite oblivious of anyone behind him/her.
I used to flash my headlights briefly before signalling and overtaking at appropriate places on single carriageway roads - the hope was it would draw the attention of the other driver to what I was doing.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 08:15   #53 (permalink)
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It really hurts to admit this, but I have found that slow right lane hoggers will not move over unless I get undesirably close - presumably if I keep a proper/safe distance they think I am happy to tag along behind.
If possible, coming up from a long way behind very quickly usually draws their attention. If that doesn't work than my favourite manoevre is what I call the "dummy undertake". Pull in to the lane to the left and get close up until you have to pull out again for a slower vehicle. Then pull out behind again and drop well back. When the road is clear again pull back over and start to come up quickly. They pull over to stop you undertaking while at the same time you move into the overtaking lane and fly past.
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Old 27th Apr 2017, 08:20   #54 (permalink)
 
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UK Highway Code says "Rule 110. Flashing headlights. Only flash your headlights to let other road users know that you are there. Do not flash your headlights to convey any other message or intimidate other road users."

Bit vague for the "flashing someone out of the way" case, initially you are letting them know you are there, but if you continue it would probably be considered intimidation?
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If you need to speed you should get out of bed earlier and start the journey sooner.
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Yes, the dummy undertake usually works a treat!
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The problem with flashing the lights at someone is that it isn't a signal to be found in the Highway Code. What does it mean?
It was last time I looked (admittedly a long time ago). It means "hey, I'm here, just in case you didn't notice me", the same as a bicycle bell.
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A bicycle bell.........Wow, that's going back a bit Gertrude
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They still have them. They are only manual ding-ding nowadays. The old fashioned ones with the two discs slapping a dent in the bell have gone.
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A bicycle bell.........Wow, that's going back a bit Gertrude
??? - my current bike has a bell, what's "going back a bit" about that???
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