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Old 25th Apr 2017, 16:56   #21 (permalink)
 
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Convoy driving is a skill that is practiced. Skilled convoy drivers can undertake complex routes (including re-routing on the fly) with no inter-vehicle radio communications or light signals.

As I drive past aldershot on the A331 every day to/f4rom work I frequently encounter army convoys. There seems to be no reticence to slotting between the trucks w3hen required, so I would be surprised if this offense is actually a thing in England.

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Old 25th Apr 2017, 19:13   #22 (permalink)
 
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The A9 from Perth to Inverness has seen a significant reduction in accidents since the introduction of average speed cameras.
However, it is not an open and shut case because a couple of other factors were changed at the same time. Firstly, the HGV limit was raised from 40 to 50, so as to reduce the need for/amount of overtaking. But secondly, the HGV drivers seem to have figured out that the ANPR does not identify HGVs, and hence the HGVs are mostly bowling along at 60, thus almost eliminating the need for overtaking.
And if you do have to overtake a slow vehicle, you can now do it quickly/safely provided you ease off afterwards.
It will be v v interesting to see what political spin is applied to the "benefits of average speed cameras on the A9"
PS The dual carriageway sections SEEM to be immune!!
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Old 25th Apr 2017, 19:14   #23 (permalink)

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Wonder why the police didn't ask the Army convoy to increase speed to 60mph for a while, until congestion cleared? Can't believe the Army have any road vehicles these days that can't comfortably do 60mph?
Are there really people who get themselves so worked up at having to drive at 60mph rather than 70mph for a while? Should they perhaps have their licences taken away until they've calmed down a bit?
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But why doesn't ANPR recognise HGVs?
Allegedly, these vehicles were involved in 18,000+ accidents in The U.K., in a 12 month period.
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A couple of comments:

About 10 years ago I was driving south from Nth Queensland when I encountered a large number of army vehicles returning from providing emergency assistance after a cyclone. I cursed the thought of being stuck for 1000+ km behind them. However, I found that they were organised in relatively small groups that could usually be overtaken safely, and those groups pulled over whenever possible to let any tailback pass. Nothing but praise for them.

Last year I drove in the UK for the first time. I found most people, like m'self drove at about the speed limit. However, every so often some upmarket would whip past in the RH lane doing 20 or 30 km/h above. There seems to be no shortage of plod on the road - don't these people get booked, or do they just not care when they do?
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 00:51   #26 (permalink)


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Are there really people who get themselves so worked up at having to drive at 60mph rather than 70mph for a while? Should they perhaps have their licences taken away until they've calmed down a bit?
When I drive on a freeway or turnpike (US bloke here) I set the cruise control so it's about 2 miles faster or slower than average traffic. That way I'm not running next to someone for too long.

As far as 60 vs 70, yeah, if you're that impatient you should have stopped wanking fifteen minutes earlier and put on your pants and left on your journey.

The main thing that bothers me these days is the nose to tail (called tailgating here). When I can tell what kind of sunglasses you're wearing through the rear view mirror, you're too close.


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Old 26th Apr 2017, 05:48   #27 (permalink)
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But why doesn't ANPR recognise HGVs?
Allegedly, these vehicles were involved in 18,000+ accidents in The U.K., in a 12 month period.
ANPR works by reading the registration number plate, not by 'seeing' the vehicle.
It would need to compare the reading with a database of commercial vehicles rather than the full database, so I suspect that where, for example, the overall speed limit is 60 mph for cars but 50 mph for trucks then the ANPR doesn't differentiate so doesn't record a 'fail'.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 06:05   #28 (permalink)
 
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ANPR works by reading the registration number plate, not by 'seeing' the vehicle.
It would need to compare the reading with a database of commercial vehicles rather than the full database, so I suspect that where, for example, the overall speed limit is 60 mph for cars but 50 mph for trucks then the ANPR doesn't differentiate so doesn't record a 'fail'.
Even of it did, it still wouldn't work: put a trailer (eg caravan) on a car and you change the vehicle's speed limit. Also there are different speed limits (from those posted) for vans - which are totally ignored - and other non-HGV vehicles.
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There seems to be no shortage of plod on the road - don't these people get booked, or do they just not care when they do?

I wish there were 'plod' on the road. IMHO I think the lack of police on the road is one of the reasons why driving is so poor. ANPR, speed cameras only catch drivers IF they are speeding. It does not not catch those under the influence of drink, drugs. It doesn't catch uninsured, untaxed people using copied plates. I it doesn't do anything about dangerous driving.

Is the highway code suitable for today's roads? I much prefer the German system of law enforcement.
Even the Portuguese have urban lights which judge the speed of traffic, and if it is excessive, will turn pedestrian lights to red further down the road to slow the traffic.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 11:13   #30 (permalink)

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The main thing that bothers me these days is the nose to tail (called tailgating here). When I can tell what kind of sunglasses you're wearing through the rear view mirror, you're too close.
If somebody is too close behind me to be safe at the speed we're doing there's only one of those variables under my control - I can't make him drop back, so I have to slow down.
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 12:55   #31 (permalink)
 
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If somebody is too close behind me to be safe at the speed we're doing there's only one of those variables under my control - I can't make him drop back, so I have to slow down.
I usually switch on the rear fog lights but it has little effect.

Solution: Drive an old Land-Rover with a tow-ball on the back. In that case the result of sudden braking will be a crunch in the rear and a puddle in the road as the said tow-ball is driven through the radiator of the rammer.

It would be a lesson well-learned.
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When I drive on a freeway or turnpike (US bloke here) I set the cruise control so it's about 2 miles faster or slower than average traffic. That way I'm not running next to someone for too long.

As far as 60 vs 70, yeah, if you're that impatient you should have stopped wanking fifteen minutes earlier and put on your pants and left on your journey.

The main thing that bothers me these days is the nose to tail (called tailgating here). When I can tell what kind of sunglasses you're wearing through the rear view mirror, you're too close.


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Travel is all about speed, if it weren't, we'd be riding horses and the Concorde would never have been built. And safety, as nothing slows forward progress than an accident. If the car behind is too close, pull over and let him pass.

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Or if someone's driving too close, ignore them or alternatively, let them pass. Leads to a much more relaxed drive for you and realistically makes no difference to your journey.

Edit: Galaxy Flyer beat me to it....
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 15:44   #34 (permalink)
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Many years ago I was driving in the third lane of a very congested motorway with little possibility of giving way to the aggressive driver on my rear bumper flashing his headlights and blasting his horn.
The traffic to my left was nose to tail, as was the traffic ahead of me in the third lane.

After some time of this aggression from behind I braked hard.

It turned out that the following car was an unmarked police car and I was treated to a lecture on the hard shoulder.
I've never brake-tested a following vehicle since, but if he was so impatient to pass, where was he going to go as the traffic ahead of me was solid - and he had time for my lecture.

I am older now and more mature and will encourage vehicles that want to drive faster than me to overtake and get on their way.

When I was younger I usually drove as fast as traffic allowed, whereas now that I am retired I no longer have urgent appointments to get to (I was driving 52000 miles per year as a 'commercial traveller') I concentrate on 'economical driving' (I have to buy my own fuel now) and arrive relaxed and unstressed.
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If someone is driving too close behind, try washing your windscreen. Some of the spray goes over your vehicle and on to the one behind, they then have to wash their windscreen. If you have kept yours clean and they haven't they soon get the message!
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Braking Hard for Deer etc

Here in Alberta if the driver is slowing down for no apparent reason, it's most likely a deer with several friends. I saw one driver slow down for the local herd. The idiot behind passed at a good rate of knots and just barely missed. That herd is largely traffic wise. 30 clicks East they were being autoculled on a weekly basis

Collision premiums in small towns is lower, but comprehensive makes the total more than in the cities.

The coyotes are smarter, but the odd one gets hit.

You're looking at serious damage hitting a large animal; so yes I smack the brakes if necessary. So if Plod complains about being brake tested, ask him if he saw the deer
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For a long time I've wanted one of those LED message lights, just to give tailgaters a reminder to stop driving far too close.

I've given up playing games on the road, it's too damned dangerous, but the idiots that drive so close that they haven't a hope in hell of stopping without hitting you if there was an incident do piss me off. Given that I was rear-ended whilst stationary twice in the space of six months a couple of years ago, with the second accident writing my car off, I'm perhaps a little over sensitive about it.

As mentioned earlier, I usually just keep slowing down until they overtake and give someone else some grief, or, very rarely, get the message.

I'd not want to give an offensive message on the sign, just something like "I'm going to keep slowing down until you back off"
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Ray,

Travel is all about speed, if it weren't, we'd be riding horses and the Concorde would never have been built. And safety, as nothing slows forward progress than an accident. If the car behind is too close, pull over and let him pass.

GF
Also, props to Gertrude and the others.

Galaxy, sounds like you've driven in Oklahoma a few times. I'm one of those people you pass that actually let you do so, and even give a wave when I can see ahead that it's safe.

When someone ignores that and seems fascinated with my rear bumper, I'll slow down when passing is possible, and move over if possible.

I certainly don't want to hold someone back, on the other hand, GET OFF MY BUMPER, you idiot. (Not you personally.)

These bad habits are in danger of creating an accident because of being in a hurry.

Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. When it doesn't, it's usually some nitwit on a cellphone.

And this, friends, usually happens on a freeway or divided highway with 2 breakdown lanes and 2 or 3 traffic lanes.

At that point, I realize I'm "stopping for 2," sort of a vehicular pregnancy between complete strangers, so I slow down to the appropriate speed for the stopping distance between us.

Deer, dogs, kids coming out of nowhere and suddenly inhabiting the lane ahead. Any of these can mess up your day and your auto.

Back to Galaxy Flyer for a moment.

I don't impede traffic, I try to go with the flow. If someone is hell-bent on speeding, that's no inducement for me to speed as well, and that poor sap will just have to put up with it. If passing is safe and possible, have at it, I'll help you. If it's not, suck it up.

And on to this:

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Or if someone's driving too close, ignore them or alternatively, let them pass.
If you ignore them, and you need to make an emergency stop and they're sniffing your bum, simply slowing rapidly to avoid something might lead to a collision. And if there are other idiots driving closely to them, it could turn into a multi-vehicle collision.

Those typically end badly for everyone involved.

Cheers!
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When we're all motoring along happily, we're flying in formation without anything more than the most basic idea of where we're going. We should leave a little room so we don't interfere with each other, and so that if something happens causing us to stop hastily, we can do it and remain acquaintances instead of having to swap contact information and insurance information. It shouldn't be hard to do at all.

Grinding to a halt and then starting up again a moment later is far less time consuming than going bumper to bumper and having to exchange info, wait for police to write reports, so forth.

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Old 26th Apr 2017, 18:00   #39 (permalink)


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I'd not want to give an offensive message on the sign, just something like "I'm going to keep slowing down until you back off"
Or, maybe, "hey, I can smell your cologne, can you step back a bit?"

Everyone wants personal space in public environments -- we get pissy when someone gets to close in a line waiting for movie tickets, or buckles up too close at the grocery store.

But in cars going 70, 80, or 90? (miles per hour)

Sure, let's get REAL CLOSE.

Makes no sense.

I love everyone before they get into a vehicle. I'd buy almost all of you a drink.

Get closer than a hundred feet? You're the enemy, a danger. At 90, if I can tell what kind of car you're driving in the mirror, you're on my watch list.

Search YouTube for traffic accidents.

But, yeah, I agree with you.

We need a Twitter account just for this, so we can reuse a hashtag that one of the Kardashians had a few years ago.

"#getoffmyass"

Again, Cheers!
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Old 26th Apr 2017, 18:54   #40 (permalink)

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Solution: Drive an old Land-Rover with a tow-ball on the back.
I've got a Passat with a tow-ball on the back, not quite a good I know.


Mate of mine was driving his Land Rover along the Embankment when he had to stop for some reason. The guy behind him didn't - I forget what sort of car it was, a Crapi or a Jag or some similar sort of willy-extension.


After getting out and looking at the other guy's car, which was clearly a write-off, my mate looked at his own Land Rover. "OK, so you have bent the wire cage round one of the indicators, but I CBA with the paperwork to charge you for that. Bye, have a nice day."
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