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Old 19th Apr 2017, 00:52   #21 (permalink)
 
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The main cause,and the most preventable cause of Emphysema is smoking,but many other things can contribute to it as well.
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Old 19th Apr 2017, 04:12   #22 (permalink)
 
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What I find particularly reprehensible is that Western Cigarette manufacturers are zoning in on 3rd countries with gusto because of the collapsing markets in their own countries.
Take Indonesia for example. I reckon 90% of males over 18 smoke. A packet of Marlboros costs around US$1.50. Packet a day habit (typical) will be about US$10 per week. A lot of families would be struggling to have a weekly income of US$ 50. So 20% of the family budget is lost to ciggies straight off. The financial consequences for the family over decades would be huge, not to mention smoking related diseases etc
The marketing budgets must be huge. Just having a few beers on the beach for example and typically 2 or 3 groups of Cigarette girls from various companies will approach you with free samples, cheap deals for cartons or gifts (typically lighters).
The companies don't care, just the dollars...
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Nicotine addiction feels as light as a delicate cobweb on one's shoulders, until one tries to abstain. The cobweb then becomes a massive, tightly bound chain!
I gave up 30 years ago...after several attempts
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The bounders ( British Government) have or are about to abolish packs of 10. I can make 10 last 2 days. Damned if I can stretch 20 to last 4 days.
So thanks to their smoking reduction policy my consumption is going up.
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When I was experimenting with smoking (which I never took up) I would hide the packet in a hedge - until I discovered the contents had been attacked by slugs.
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I would lie in bed listening to my Father cough his guts up after life long smoking.
Died not long after from emphysema.
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When I was at Sixth Form (in 1994) I and a group of other Sixth-Formers took part in a study run by the University of East Anglia. I never saw the end report, but from the discusions we had, looking at just our small group, it seemed that those with smoking parents (seeing then coughing their lungs up every morning) were generally more anti-smoking than those with non-smoking parents (like myself.)

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Old 20th Apr 2017, 20:55   #28 (permalink)
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When my wife was a young girl, being the oldest of three girls, she was taxed with working out the family budget every week - which had to include the cigarettes for her mother.
She said that the chunk that was taken from the available money confirmed her decision to never contemplate starting to smoke.
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I propose that tobacco companies be given 5 years to find another business. If they agree, executives of a rank of supervisors and above be given immunity from prosecution for prior nicotine related activities.

If they demure, legislate that each and every one of them are jointly and severely liable for all deaths and injuries caused by nicotine. And then let loose the tort lawyers.
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The bounders ( British Government) have or are about to abolish packs of 10. I can make 10 last 2 days. Damned if I can stretch 20 to last 4 days.
So thanks to their smoking reduction policy my consumption is going up.
Be lucky
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Marlboro packs of ten have been sold in natty tin packs for the last few months
So you can buy 20 in the new dirge packet and decant them into your retro tin ten pack. It still had the smoking is bad for you warning on it but no pictures of dead babies being used as ashtrays etc..
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 08:33   #31 (permalink)
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I don't smoke but the wife does. She only smokes the mildest brand according to the info shown on 'normal' packaging, but since her brand changed to the new so-called 'plain' packaging, she has noticed her throat is getting very irritated. But the new packaging no longer shows figures for tar and nicotine content so there is no indication how 'strong' they are and nothing to stop the producers from putting in 'rougher' tobacco to cut costs.
So the new packaging is quite likely to lead to an increase in cigarette related illness, the opposite to the intended effect!!
Filters bought from Cigarette Filters seem to have at least temporarily relieved her coughing.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 11:10   #32 (permalink)
 
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Cigs in Oz are $25/packet and a friend has a $25K habit per year, fortunately he's on a good wicket so can wear the cost.

Others have turned to the black market which is currently thriving. Some suppliers are better than others and some are even better than the original manufacturers. It's a seedy underground industry and you have have to know how to swim in it, but it is no different to the official QUIT program which is run by homosexuals primarily for their own agendas.

Personally as a non-smoker I'm lucky I'm not a slave to any of those external forces from both sides.
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Said it before and I'll say it again.

Alcoholism is also self-inflicted early death and a drain on the public health services. And also leads, directly and indirectly, to far more social problems than cigarette use.

But have any countries or governments dared to impose draconian rules on branding / packaging / advertising / use of alcohol to the same extent as they have done with tobacco products ?

Of course not....

Will they ever do it ?

Of course not....

Why will they never do it ?

Answers please....
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 12:40   #34 (permalink)
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Hussar 54; Well said Sir!

What I see regarding Government reactions to Tobacco use really p****s me off!

Back in the 60's it was considered quite normal to smoke. Advertisements were numerous, sometimes humorous and occasionally attempted to portray smokers as 'sophisticated,'

Of course,now the tide has turned with social engineering now putting across the opinion that it is disgusting, filthy, unhealthy and should be discouraged by all means at all costs!

Fine! And so what?? If it is all or some of the above, and FWIW I can agree with some, then why doesn't the Government totally ban it????

Quite simply thus; They get far too much revenue through taxes on tobacco to even consider totally outlawing it. But also I suspect that even the more radical ban-it-all mob may realise that any attempt to do so would ensure that the ensuing black market/criminal enterprises that would spring up to supply those who would refuse to give it up, or could not give it up, would make the alcohol prohibition era of the USA of the late 1920's look like a Sunday School picnic!

I really think that the next 20 to 30 years in Western society are going to be very interesting in more ways than one. And I am most thankful that I doubt if I'll see much more that the next 12 or so!
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 14:45   #35 (permalink)
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Back in the 60's it was considered quite normal to smoke. Advertisements were numerous, sometimes humorous and occasionally attempted to portray smokers as 'sophisticated,'
Members of the armed forces were supplied with tobacco products at greatly reduced prices - or even free - from WWI through WWII and into the 1950s at least.
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Last time I was in the NAAFI they were still tax free. 8 for 200 in 2002. Happy days. Packaging and display restrictions are dumb, ineffectual and put costs up. Well, that's what happens when some people think they know better and therefore should exert power over others.
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 17:24   #37 (permalink)

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But have any countries or governments dared to impose draconian rules on branding / packaging / advertising / use of alcohol to the same extent as they have done with tobacco products ?
Yes. But it didn't work very well.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prohib..._United_States
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Old 21st Apr 2017, 19:31   #38 (permalink)

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Members of the armed forces were supplied with tobacco products at greatly reduced prices - or even free - from WWI through WWII and into the 1950s at least.
In Northern Ireland in the early 1970s - early part of the Troubles - all the troops were given a free packet of 20 at Christmas by the local tobacco company (Gallahers??)

And IIRC there were up to 20 000 British troops there then ..........

The RN still had their "Blue Liners" at about that time too - not sure when they stopped.

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A quick Goog tells me it was late 1980s!

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Old 21st Apr 2017, 20:17   #39 (permalink)
 
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No....Not talking total banning of alcohol....Just that the politicos do exactly the same with alcohol as with tobacco.

- All alcohol to be sold in exactly the same shape bottles.
- All bottles to be exactly the same colour
- All lables on bottles to be exactly the same
- No advertisng permitted on TV, radio, cinema, press, etc
- No marketing of alcohol permitted ( eg, Heineken as major sponsor of European Champions League football )
- Threats that people who drink alcohol will not recieve publically funded healthcare

Etc, etc, etc....

I suppose it'd be way too cycnical of me to suggest that most politicos drink alcohol but don't smoke cigarettes / cigars / pipes....

Or that here in Europe, for more than a couple of the EU's largest members, wine / beer / liquor are major export industries, whereas tobacco leaves aren't.

So which is the more anti-social habit - a quiet smoke, or an alcohol fuelled football hooligan riot or wife beating or drunk driving accidental death ?
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Old 22nd Apr 2017, 06:14   #40 (permalink)
 
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US Army ration packs included ciggies into the '70s (packs of 5). Wonder if ex GI's can sue the Government?
i.e "I didn't smoke until I spent a year in Vietnam. Got addicted smoking the cigarettes from the ration packs. Now 40 odd years later I'm dying from lung disease caused by smoking, you caused it, pay up?"....
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