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Old 1st Mar 2017, 10:05   #81 (permalink)
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No doubt a movie called Shades of Brown would be banned today? It is a matter of record that I have Polynesian DNA. As a consequence of that accident of ancestry, I am entitled to make any statement I like without risk of it it being construed as racist because somewhere in my dark and deepest lineage I had an old relative who resembled a brown paper bag. This is called brown privilege and is a very powerful weapon to possess.
The problem is that we are no longer allowed to make jokes with funny punch lines based on nationality, colour or race. I'm not speaking of straight abuse, that's a different story and is usually accompanied with foul and filthy language.
But the moment humans are presented with a set of circumstances where they cannot laugh, whether it's approaching death, general misery or fear, humour dies and hope withers.
Sweep all the politically correct rhubarb away and there will be far less brutal racism and a great deal more laughter lurking about. The hoilly polloillies though, in their hypothetical (sometimes) little sermon boxes, would never tolerate that. The logical conclusion then is that the liberal left must be exterminated in order to effectively liberate the multitude of under privileged whites who tremble in the shadow of prosecution under a racist system that discriminates against what is nothing more than perfectly laughable human humour.
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Given the era in question, one that has an appeal for you in many respects, you may recall the "welcome " extended to many immigrants from that well known, and practiced in some quarters, British trait of racism.
British trait of racism? Just British? Have you ever been to any other country and talked to the natives about how they feel towards those not of their nationality?
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Maybe the whites are supposed to dominate and eradicate others....maybe that is what nature does and actually wants and needs to happen.....favour those with advantages. The accentuates those advantages at the detriment and eventual extinction of those less 'advantaged'. Maybe that is what nature wants?

Nature isn't a hipster....it's a brutal master....and accepts no compromises...and hos no idea what political correctness is. Be strong, be a winner or suffer the consequences.

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The Neo-Cons are active aren't they? Delicate flowers getting all defensive because the bleeding obvious truth gets in the way of their deluded worldview. The oh so oppressed "white middle aged man". Give me strength.

I live in a very small village, it is rare to see the police, even rarer to get stopped by the police randomly, driving home, perhaps from the local watering hole. In 9 years I've never been stopped once. I don't know any other 'white middle aged men' who have been stopped either. There are very few non-whites. One individual is of eastern extraction, Indian heritage. He has been pulled over by the police five times in as many years. Bizarre eh? Co-incidence perhaps? I don't buy it.

White Privilege?



You want examples of the violent right wing?

Here ya go.



Or this lot...





Or am I just being a lefty liberal for pointing this out?

How about this chap?




The violent exist on all sides of the political spectrum (mixed metaphor, I know) so don't give me this cr@p that its only 'lefty' anti-Trump protesters.
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A bit of white privilege saved Jess Stone.
Joss Stone death plotters win appeal - BBC News
Some of the above posters think it's wrong that unusual faces are pulled over in the countryside, well it saved her life eh ? Or maybe The police should have been more PC and let those delightful examples of diversity go about their business ?
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Turin, we killed the top two; the middle lot look as stupid as the niqab nuts and I've no idea what baldy on the bottom is up to.

Oh, yes, my ethnically Western European sons have been stopped and questioned by the police.

Did you go to a lot of trouble to get the pics? Ah well, what a shame, never mind, eh?

ps: I am not ashamed of my race. Why should I be? Like everyone else in the World, I had no control over it.
Just as, in historical times, the Han, Romans, Ottomans, Persians and Mongols had their day, so have we and we should just be thankful that we were born in the right place and time.
Just lay off with the guilt; most of us don't feel the least bit guilty - just lucky!

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One individual is of eastern extraction, Indian heritage. He has been pulled over by the police five times in as many years. Bizarre eh? Co-incidence perhaps? I don't buy it.
Don't believe in coincidence? Neither do I.
How about those other obvious truths that the bleedin' lefties keep ignoring and denying?

Migrants linked to 69,000 would-be or actual crimes in Germany in first three months of 2016: police | Reuters

Germany: Migrant Crime Wave, Police Capitulate
https://www.document.no/2015/10/11/g...ce-capitulate/

And by the way, your dear friends of African heritage quite often are as racist as those wearing a white robe. Ever heard the expression "white boy"? It's not a compliment, in case they didn't tell you.
Blacks vs other blacks:
Homes burned, shops looted in anti-migrant attacks
Renewed anti-foreigner violence has raised fresh fears and uncertainty among members of migrant communities in S Africa.
Homes burned, shops looted in anti-migrant attacks | South Africa | Al Jazeera
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I've no idea what baldy on the bottom is up to.
Anders Breivik.
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Are you suggesting that all Muslims should feel guilty for the doings of Daesh?
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Old 1st Mar 2017, 21:36   #90 (permalink)
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Are you suggesting that all Muslims should feel guilty for the doings of Daesh?
Not at all - I am not a supporter of Breivik - merely informing you as to who baldy is.

I'm not sure that I follow AB's logic - indiscriminate terrorism (the van bomb was hardly selective - and I don't believe that his rampage on the island was aimed at those who he 'hated').
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Then there's gem from peaceful, diverse Sweden...

KATIE HOPKINS reports from Scandi-lib paradise of Sweden | Daily Mail Online

I was speaking with a Swede in the US, he reports the police really can't control the situation and culturally are not up to the gored required to end immigrant (not to say, Muslim) trepardations.

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For the record, this white middle-class male of 60+ years has been stopped and questioned twice by the police in the last couple of years.

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Well if you feel guilty about being a blue eyed blonde white person you could always assume to be something else.


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He had one black parent and one white parent. He is just as much 'white' as he is 'black', whatever colour he or others choose to call him.
Perhaps the salient fact is that during his formative years he was entirely brought up by his mother, from what I can research, and I stand to be corrected if mistaken, his father, who was the black component had nothing to do with his upbringing or education.
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I was extremely reluctant to contribute to this thread mainly due to my own experiences of living in the "Privileged" environs of rural England for most of my life, but also living for various periods over 23 years in South Africa.

I accept that this missive will no doubt render either ammunition or support to the different social and cultural groupings represented here.

In my opinion there is actually no difference between the polarised relationships that exist between modern day Western European and Middle Eastern life balance expectations and the expectations which manifest between Western Europe and Southern Africa. Both scenarios exhibit cultural, traditional, historic, genetic and tribal influences that underlie most of the violence and conflict inflicted on the innocent as well as on the guilty. Just to describe the enormous complexities involved in trying to reconcile these differences cannot be expressed by reference simply to race.

When someone is stopped by the police, as I have been, and told that I cannot proceed because there is a tribal skirmish taking place some distance from the road, it brings the whole state of human relationship perceptions down to a new level. Hundreds of men from two opposing factions occupy the high ground on both sides of a valley.

They are armed like butchers, with Panga's (Machetes), Assegai's (Spears), knives various, axes, clubs, ancient pistols, 12 Bore shotguns, AK47's Kalashnikof's, and indeed anything that will kill, maim or terrorise the opposition. The police try to mediate between the tribal groups, it mostly fails, the impi's (fighting groups) are given "muti" (magical potions) to protect them from harm? and then they descend from the high ground and meet in the valley where they proceed to hack, slash, stab, shoot and generally commit mass murder. The bodies and injured are loaded into ambulances, dispatched for the purpose.

In Western Europe, most of us do not have the stomach for hand to hand fighting and killing, however the intent remains, and only the means to achieve it changes. When the same human relationship issues exist between ancient tribal values and modern day European values, conflict cannot be resolved under the normal rules of arbitration. This applies whether you are talking about tribal wars, car jacking, terrorism, or burglary. We in Europe simply do not have the knowledge or experience and therefore we are limited to using our well defined and documented methods of trying to regulate violent actions through various governmental institutions. The answer has a lot to do with education but this does not even get close to addressing the real differences. We simply are very, very different in many ways. Perhaps using proxies has become a more acceptable form of "delivery" in the "civilised" West, but it still does not address the underlying problems.

Oh, and the tribal fight was because someone had "stolen" another man's wife, 30+ dead and goodness knows how many injured about 30 years ago, and in South Africa, tribal fights still happen today. Incidentally not between whites and blacks, but between African tribes.

I don't have the answer but it sure isn't about the much used generalisation: "race"
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Old 2nd Mar 2017, 03:15   #96 (permalink)
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I was extremely reluctant to contribute to this thread mainly due to my own experiences of living in the "Privileged" environs of rural England for most of my life, but also living for various periods over 23 years in South Africa.

I accept that this missive will no doubt render either ammunition or support to the different social and cultural groupings represented here.

In my opinion there is actually no difference between the polarised relationships that exist between modern day Western European and Middle Eastern life balance expectations and the expectations which manifest between Western Europe and Southern Africa.

Both scenarios exhibit cultural, traditional, historic, genetic and tribal influences that underlie most of the violence and conflict inflicted on the innocent as well as on the guilty. Just to describe the enormous complexities involved in trying to reconcile these differences cannot be expressed by reference simply to race.

When someone is stopped by the police, as I have been, and told that I cannot proceed because there is a tribal skirmish taking place some distance from the road, brings the whole state of human relationship perceptions down to a new level. Hundreds of men from two opposing tribes occupy the high ground on both sides of a valley.

They are armed like butchers, with Panga's (Machetes), Assegai's (Spears), knives various, axes, clubs, ancient pistols, 12 Bore shotguns, AK47's Kalashnikof's, and indeed anything that will kill, maim or terrorise the opposition.

The police try to mediate between the tribal groups, it mostly fails, the impi's (fighting groups) descend from the high ground and meet in the valley where they proceed to hack, slash, stab, shoot and generally commit mass murder. The bodies and injured are loaded into ambulances dispatched for the purpose.

In Western Europe, most do not have the stomach for hand to hand fighting and killing, however, the intent remains, and only the means to achieve it changes.

When the same human relationship issues exist between ancient tribal values and modern day European values, conflict cannot be conducted under normal rules.

This applies whether you are talking about tribal wars, car jacking, terrorism, or burglary. We in Europe simply do not have the knowledge or experience and are limited to using our well defined and documented methods of regulating violence through various political bodies.

The answer has a lot to do with education but this does not even get close to addressing the real differences. We simply are very, very different in many ways.

Perhaps using proxies has become a more acceptable form of delivery in the "civilised" West, but it still does not address the underlying problems.

Oh, and the tribal fight was because someone had "stolen" another's wife 30+ dead and goodness knows how many injured about 30 years ago, although it still happens today.

I don't have the answer but it sure isn't about "race"
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Whilst they may stop short, just, of killing each other Western football "supporters" do a very credible impression of the above.
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Indeed it is very true that there are right wing terrorosts. I get accused of being Brevik enough to know that he is used as a diversion by the left. Normal people admit that there are problems with violent right wing terrorists. Lefties cover up and quietly condone widespread left wing violence. Huge difference.

If we want to go further how about North Korea, China or the USSR. How did socialism/left wing extremists get on with the people there? East Germany anyone?
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Basil presents a valid point of view. I too am not ashamed of my White European roots. As I stated earlier and others chimed in on it - there has been a tremendous amount of good done by those of White European and British descent. The volume of scientific advancement alone is just tremendous as is our relentless pursuit of democracy and (more recently) equality - these are among our very best virtues.

I am however, apologetic and ashamed of some fairly dark and dirty and shameful past deeds that have been done in the name of: Empire, King and Country, Oil, Christianity, Capitalism, and every loyal American's favorite triumvirate, Patriotism, Democracy, and Manifest Destiny.
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Are you suggesting that all Muslims should feel guilty for the doings of Daesh?
What 'race' is 'Muslim'? This is a commonly bandied about load of nonsense. 'Muslim' is religious and involves choice, race does not involve choice. Could people please stop mixing these two completely different concepts. It is total nonsense.
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Whilst they may stop short, just, of killing each other Western football "supporters" do a very credible impression of the above.
I struggle to see how anyone can compare the vicious, murderous tribal battles that ImageGear has described with football "supporters"!! That shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of the world 'out there'.

Too many people 'pronounce' from their cosy, cushey urban homes in a highly developed and 'inclusive' country. The very worst 'racism' that you are likely to encounter here is often just the starting point in a lot of the world.

I agree with vapilot2004's first paragraph. I disagree with the second because (a) I didn't do it and (b) much, much worse was done by so many others at the time.

The title of this Thread is racist.
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" I struggle to see how anyone can compare the vicious, murderous tribal battles that ImageGear has described with football "supporters"!! That shows a complete and utter lack of understanding of the world 'out there'

You generally struggle to understand many aspects of the world "out there".

A basic understanding of group dynamics, and tribalism, with regard to football "supporters", violent and non violent, would have helped you understand the analogy.

" I disagree with the second because (a) I didn't do it and (b) much, much worse was done by so many others at the time" .

You may, but I don't.

Having had the so called "virtues" of the Empire stuffed down my throat at school, as part of the history curriculum, before finding the unpalatable hypocrisy this contained, then it's perfectly natural to feel as peoples do about the former Empire and all it stood for.....racism being one of the many aspects.
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