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Old 28th Feb 2017, 08:01   #21 (permalink)
 
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...and is also a subject where when one's username appears, you can almost predict with 100% accuracy, their stance.
On both sides of the argument.
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I'm a white, middle aged, heterosexual male.

According to various groups every problem with the world for the last hundred years is my fault....
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I feel zero guilt for being born white. Surely having ideas, opinions and negative thoughts toward white people is racism? I didn't ask to be born white. I feel zero guilt. I feel zero guilt for the slave trade. I feel zero guilt for the British Empire. I played no part in either as I wasn't even born. How come Muslims aren't made to feel guilty for their history of slavery or their modern day crusades?

The straight, white male is enemy number one for lefties on both sides of the pond. I don't think this nonsense has spread to Aus/NZ but maybe someone could advise otherwise?

vapilot2004 It's funny isn't it. Once again history is repeating itself. The Germans are once again being told that they will be enrichened!
Do you now...presumably you are perfectly happy with the enforced relocation of children to Australia, and their subsequent abuse, to establish a white collective in support of the Empire.
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I was born in the 1980s. It had noting to do with me. It had nothing to do with my family. I feel no guilt. Not feeling guilt and being 'happy' are two different this. I feel it was a bad thing. I do not however feel any sense of guilt. Not even a trace amount of guilt.

Are you happy that people who had nothing to do with terrible things should some how be punished?

Only a tiny proportion of Muslims commit acts of terror. Going by your logic we should punish all Muslims for the terrible things that they have done throughout history or the terrible things that some of them continue to do. No?

Should we punish black people because black people used to sell fellow black people as slaves? A tiny amount of people had slaves and it was a long time ago. A tiny amount of black peoples sold slaves. I don't think either should be punished or feel guilt. People today had nothing to do with it.
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The Führer's ideas (and fears of the alt-right, white nationalists and white supremacists) notwithstanding, Pluralism* strengthens and enriches society as has been proven, albeit imperfectly, by the grand social experiment, otherwise known as America.

*Just for you, Sitigeltfel.
Godwins Law invoked.

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Old 28th Feb 2017, 08:15   #26 (permalink)
 
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Ogre It's more like the last 500 years that us white males should be punished for.
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Old 28th Feb 2017, 08:21   #27 (permalink)
 
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On both sides of the argument.
Indeed. No argument here, although I was hoping some of the usual suspects would surprise everyone.

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Godwins Law invoked.

We have a winner !
Regarding ultra-conservatives, core Trump supporters, the alt-right, white nationalists (Bannon et al) and the KKK...if the shoe (jackboot?) fits...
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Yes, anyone who doesn't feel white guilt is a KKK member. Yet, the left wonder why they're over in the US, UK and throughout Europe. No, it's not populism, fake news or Trump to blame. If the left want to find someone to blame for their demise, look no further than the mirror.

You know I love a good gay pride. Perhaps we could have white male pride to make a stand against the oppression, marginalisation and hate directed toward us? Any excuse for a good drink. I mean in a day and age where Sunderland and Middlesbrough have gay pride, now is the time for us white males to make a stand and show that we feel no shame.
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Setting aside the blunders the "whites" have made in the last 500 years or so along the way to now.....just consider what the world would be like if there had not been the whiter folks around.


For two, I think there might not be aeroplanes or pilots and it is quite funny to have all the trying to catch-uppers ignoring all the undeniable achievements. Complaining is one of the easiest things to do but it does get quite tedious.


But, hey, it's Black History Month. A whole month is needed. The textbook is one of the thinnest volumes on the shelf.
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Yes, anyone who doesn't feel white guilt is a KKK member.
Is that so? Who tells you such things?

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I think there might not be aeroplanes or pilots and it is quite funny to have all the trying to catch-uppers ignoring all the undeniable achievements.
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Of course the same lot [Colonial Powers] managed to invent and build some fairly impressive stuff. Tis a mixed bag, innit?
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President Obama was NOT black.

He had one black parent and one white parent. He is just as much 'white' as he is 'black', whatever colour he or others choose to call him.
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So does that mean he should feel half the guilt that white males should feel?

Or does he feel half white guilt and half guilty for the black involvement of the slave trade? In essence, the same amount of guilt as a man born with two white parents.
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.....just consider what the world would be like if there had not been the whiter folks around.
I was at a dinner party a few weeks ago (French neighbour, likes food, parties and eclectic guest lists – the last included English, French, German, Canadian & West Indian). One of her regulars is the W. Indian, resident in UK for many years. I know her fairly well, as we are both regulars.

I try to avoid anything political at such events, but she started on about how the truth of “Black Achievement” was finally getting out. The example she tried to quote to me was the “fact” that the motor car was actually invented by an ex-slave and not by Henry Ford at all, who was just an exploiter of the workers and who stole the idea.

When I pointed out that the motor car was actually invented by Karl Benz in 1886, and that all Henry did was develop the production line and mass production (an idea he actually copied from slaughterhouses), the shutters dropped – as it was an obvious heresy to deny it as she had been told it and it was therefore THE TRUTH. It was a classic example of re-writing of history and denial of any evidence to the contrary – so beloved of the Left.
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Indeed. Left history is:

-Forgetting history: anything painful or anything that paints you in a bad light.

-Rewriting history: when it comes to demonising vast swathes of the population, or blaming the Tories for NHS privatisation or closing the mines where both were introduced by labour.
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It was a classic example of re-writing of history and denial of any evidence to the contrary – so beloved of the Left.
There it is again - that word.
If anything is morally wrong or generally disliked, we must stick the 'L' word on it just to complete the verdict.
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Old 28th Feb 2017, 09:21   #36 (permalink)
 
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What is it you don't agree with Sally? The use of the L word or the fact that the left don't rewrite history to suit them?
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You've all got my attention. Post some examples of "lefties", specifically American Liberals, re-writing history. References to legitimate news sources or scholarly articles appreciated if you've got the time and inclination.
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All political groups view history in their own way. I don't dispute that.
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Old 28th Feb 2017, 09:37   #39 (permalink)
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I was at a dinner party a few weeks ago (French neighbour, likes food, parties and eclectic guest lists – the last included English, French, German, Canadian & West Indian). One of her regulars is the W. Indian, resident in UK for many years. I know her fairly well, as we are both regulars.

I try to avoid anything political at such events, but she started on about how the truth of “Black Achievement” was finally getting out. The example she tried to quote to me was the “fact” that the motor car was actually invented by an ex-slave and not by Henry Ford at all, who was just an exploiter of the workers and who stole the idea.

When I pointed out that the motor car was actually invented by Karl Benz in 1886, and that all Henry did was develop the production line and mass production (an idea he actually copied from slaughterhouses), the shutters dropped – as it was an obvious heresy to deny it as she had been told it and it was therefore THE TRUTH. It was a classic example of re-writing of history and denial of any evidence to the contrary – so beloved of the Left.
I wouldn't imagine sitting down to dinner in your company is something to relish.

I don't suppose for one minute however it may have occurred to your ego that, the lady concerned recognised this and was winding you up...probably not.
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VA pilot. How about the violent protests held by the left. The female reporters punched in the face or sprayed in the eyes with chemicals? How did the left report that? The media quietly condoned mass violence and liberals actively encouraged violence against those with a differing opinion.

In the UK the lefties blame the Tories for shutting the coal mines. The sheep where I live believe this nonsense but the fact is the lefties started the closure of the coal mines. They also did nothing to bring them back having been in power for around half of my life!

They blame the Tories for the brutal Beeching Axe where lots of tiny unviable branch rail lines were closed. Labour got into power before most of the cuts were made. They could have stopped it. They didn't.

The lefties like to blame the Tories for NHS privatisation conveniently forgetting that it was the lefties who introduced privatisation and under who privatisation flourished. Now the left claim that May is selling the NHS of the Americans (Trump).
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