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Old 15th Feb 2017, 10:18   #1 (permalink)
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India launches 104 satellites

Congratulations to India. Nice to see our foreign aid well spent.....
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Pakistan not far behind!Foreign aid that is!!
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It has been said that foreign aid is 'poor people in rich countries giving to rich people in poor countries' meaning that our government is bribing foreign leaders to 'keep them sweet'.

It's a bit galling therefore, when one of our major high tech employers and exporters is fined almost 700m for the same thing.
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I thought Britain announced last year that aid to India was to cease and India said they didn't care?
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India launches 104 satellites

What? All in one go?????

WOW!!! I bet that put the fear of God into Pakistan 🇵🇰. 😆
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Isn't going to help with the orbital debris problem, that's for sure.
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Meat on the bones, from wiki FWIW:

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The rocket launched 104 satellites of which three are Indian, 96 are from the USA and the rest from Germany, Israel, Kazakhstan, the Netherlands, Switzerland, and the United Arab Emirates. The three Indian satellites launched are Cartosat-2D, INS-1A and INS-1B.

Cartosat-2D weighs approximately 650 kilograms (1,430 lb) and INS-1A and INS-1B weigh approximately 15 kilograms (33 lb) each. The other foreign satellites contributed to approximately 820 kilograms (1,810 lb) making the total payload of approximately 1,500 kilograms (3,300 lb). The total launch mass of the rocket was around 320,000 kilograms (710,000 lb). The 88 US satellites were CubeSats weighing around 5 kilograms (11 lb) each separated from the rocket in different directions to avoid collision.[2]
so chances are the Indian government got some money out of this by the likes of the US.. TBH the question should be should the Brits be peed off at India for spending money this way (if they did) or should we be more peed off that successive UK Governments abandoned launcher development (with or without ELDO/ESA)
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Putting a launcher together is relatively straightforward. Finding an equatorial site and setting up facilities and infrastucture is expensive. Ideally you want to launch in an easterly direction across open ocean, at least until first stage burn out. You want somewhere friendly and politically stable, so that cuts down the options quite a bit.

Just not worth our while when the US and Russians will loft our satellites into space far cheaper than we can do it ourselves. Or we could use the ESA, but probably not for much longer!
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"Finding an equatorial site and setting up facilities and infrastructure is expensive"

A Kiwi company is close to their first launch from NZ (nowhere near the equator). Ultra simple low cost vehicle capable of putting satellites into orbit, made possible due to state of the art, tiny and lightweight technology. i.e a device weighing perhaps tens of kilo's with the same or superior capabilities of devices of yesteryear weighing hundreds of kilo's....

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rocket_Lab
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And there is Australia (bit closer to the equator), just a long way from anywhere.
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ISTR a proposal for a launch site on Australia's Cape York Peninsula; near the equator, open sea on both sides. But the bearded wonders and the Aboriginal Industry squealed blue murder, even though the large restricted area would be a haven for wildlife.
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Yep - and Australia lost out on the chance to have it's own rocket industry, with all of the ancillary benefits that would have provided.
Meanwhile just over the Tasman, Rocketlab are going from strength to strength.
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Putting a launcher together is relatively straightforward. Finding an equatorial site and setting up facilities and infrastucture is expensive.
Yep, I know the Physics of launching east, close to equator etc, then again of course we of course had access to Woomera for our (UKs) only satellite launch ( Black Arrow carrying Prospero), Oct 71.
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That picture of all the scrap in space, would make a nice Christmas card front for the Green Lobby... eh!
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Finding an equatorial site and setting up facilities and infrastucture is expensive.
Depends what satellites you're launching. Equatorial not always as useful as you think.
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Or we could use the ESA, but probably not for much longer!
ESA is not an EU entity, you lot will be ESA members even after your foot-shooting exercise is complete.

The truth is that the UK just doesn't want to put money into launchers. Just look at the amount they put into ESA's launch programmes at the december ministerial.
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Old 16th Feb 2017, 15:04   #17 (permalink)
 
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Agree entirely with your last sentence.

FWIW as I recall it (my late father was remotely involved in the Black Arrow project at subcontractor of a subcontractor at the time ) back in the late 60's/around 1970 the UK was strapped for cash and to paraphrase the press releases at the time there was a feeling that other people should get their hands dirty doing the noisy smelly heavy engineering launcher stuff, the UK would concentrate on the nice and clean added value high value satellite business.....rightly or wrongly it sounds like a somewhat familiar mantra that continues to this day, sadly.....

To quote wiki for once :"The United Kingdom remains the only country to have successfully developed and then abandoned a satellite launch capability."

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Arrow
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Seems like a PERFECT use for Ascension Island (no pun intended) to me!
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Jeez - reading about the Temple Bay spaceport proposal being scuttled is frustrating.
Sure, the Aborigines have been treated like shit over the centuries, but for God's sake, could the local people not have seen the benefits something like this might have provided?
As for the greenies - the fools appear not to realise that most of the data feeding the climate models and ecosystem monitoring that they rely on comes from - wait for it - remote sensing satellites!!
Joh might have mostly been a nutcase, but this may have been a rare case of lucidity on his part - IMHO it would have been worth the federal funding required.
The spinoffs and contributions to Australia's aerospace businesses and the associated industries would have been enormous.
Just too ambitious for people to grasp, or to execute.
Instead - the nation stuck with... subsidising car assembly...
Back on thread - was in India recently - and a retired aerospace engineer told me they reckon they could get a spacecraft to Mars for about the same per kilometre cost as running an auto-rickshaw!
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was in India recently - and a retired aerospace engineer told me they reckon they could get a spacecraft to Mars for about the same per kilometre cost as running an auto-rickshaw!
How long would it take by rickshaw to Mars?

I think we should be told.
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