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Old 6th Feb 2017, 18:18   #61 (permalink)

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Sorry G-CPTN, I was unclear in my post 59.

The stats I referred to were recent - probably only a couple of years ago, when for the first time more mothers were in their teens and 30s. 20s was certainly more usual for many many years.

That said, I was a "boomer" (1949) and Mother was 37 when I was born - 34 when my brother was born in '46.

Ma and Pa were married in 1937, but didn't produce until after the War. And coincidentally, my father was a fireman in the East End of London throughout the war .......
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 18:56   #62 (permalink)
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Excellent post.
Shame it will fall on deaf ears as it won't fit their world view.
I suppose that means that your world view is correct and others isn't.

As far as accepting the reality, I feel I stated that fairly succinctly, but some appear to live in another reality where all peoples are equal, rather than all people should be treated equally.

Jtt has no idea of my heritage or living conditions nor what my footprint on the world is, but goes off on a puerile rant that as I stated would earn him a smack in the mouth in any pub in outback Australia.

For his edification, I am of mixed heritage, part Warlpiri and part Irish. I can follow my old peoples song lines to get across the desert and also use a GPS to get across the city.

My people used to leave deformed babies out in the desert, to be taken back by the spirits which kept the clan lines clean and strong.

I offer no opinion on whether this was good or bad, as some here live in a paradigm that all life is precious, unless of course they want to have an abortion.
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 19:33   #63 (permalink)
 
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jtt, If you wish to be taken seriously, you need to calm down a bit and use more moderate language.
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Old 6th Feb 2017, 19:39   #64 (permalink)
 
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IMHO, 'The fittest' are those who produce most offspring in the prevailing environment.
That could be those who can 'work' the benefits system, have multiple female partners and then dump them on The State etc etc.
If, OTOH, you end up burning your six kids as Mick Philpott did then, although you started off well, you blew it in the end.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 07:19   #65 (permalink)
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jtt, If you wish to be taken seriously, you need to calm down a bit and use more moderate language.

The language used here by certain people ("unviable childen" "people sucking available resources" etc.) is exactly the language employed in the country I'm from in the Thirthies of the last century to pave the way to premiditated, cold-blooded mass-murder. I'll always will be grateful to your country for taking great pains to help stopping the scum that perpetrated it! And I don't think it's something to stay calm about when people again start spouting the exact same nauseating shit, sorry. We all should know only too well where it all leads to. There are no excuses left for anyone with half a brain for not thinking these things through very thoroughly and understand why all these phrases are nothing but utter and dangerous nonsense.
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Only slightly off topic...
Consider the snowshoe hare and the lynx in Canada.
Their populations go in a natural cycle.
The lynx eats the snowshoe hare so the lynx thrives and because they will not limit their population growth they eat more and more snowshoe hare.
Eventually the snowshoe hare population collapses because they are all being eaten and there are none left to reproduce.
Once this happens the food source for the Lynx disappears and the lynx population then crashes as they die off.
For the snowshoe hare this lynx die-off is great as the absence of the predator now allows the population to grow and again because the snowshoe hare will not self limit their population the population expands out of all control.
You can guess what happens next.
The remaining lynx finding an new abundance of food for eat now start reproducing and expanding their population.........
If only the Lynx and hare would actually manage their populations!

In human terms (for @jtt) I know of families where the resources and time used up in caring for cancers in parents has meant they they never get married/have children. A stright forward example of where 'sucking away of available resources' has affected the now non existance of future generations.
A generation or so ago they would have died off as the medical facilities and skills to keep them available on umpteeen pills per day would not have existed and their offspring would not have had their lives dominated by having to look after them.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 09:21   #67 (permalink)
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jtt - if you jump straight from any discussion of the topic to "OMG!1 Nazis", you're essentially trying to shut down any discussion of the topic. It's totally understandable to be adamantly against any talk of "inferior people" and all that. Who defines what "inferior" means? I certainly wouldn't want to try.

Instead - what do you think about the possibility of using genetic selection to eliminate e.g. cystic fibrosis or Down syndrome? Do you regard that as sinister?
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 10:45   #68 (permalink)
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Well Jtt, in my country, my people were massacred, put in chains, treated like dogs, our children stolen from us by people from your hemisphere.
But that has nothing to do with this discussion.

Stop being puerile and join in the discussion, surely you have some thoughts on your taxes being wasted on people that will never contribute to society.
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I have to agree with jtt, once you start down the path of one group directing the path of human development, slavery and designation of certain races as sub humans soon follows.
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My people used to leave deformed babies out in the desert, to be taken back by the spirits which kept the clan lines clean and strong.
Did it work? Do 'your people' still bear deformed babies?

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I suppose that means that your world view is correct and others isn't.
In the case of eugenics, yes. As has been said, for eugenics to work it would need to be carried out for generations. By which time more pressing environmental matters would probably mean that the whole process is a waste of time.
No point in breeding for intelligence or a pale skin and blonde hair if a hint of sunlight causes untreatable melanoma, or even the ability to ward off the common cold and the entire population gets wiped out by a virulent disease passed on by a particularly dirty telephone!

(with a nod to the great D.Adams)
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(with a nod to the great D.Adams)
I think we'd spotted that - it's an insult to the cultural education of your audience to point out the sources of such well-known quotations
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A walk around a council estate is the best argument for eugenics. At present we have natural selection in reverse. The type of people we need more of can't afford children because both partners have to work to pay sky high taxes to pay for the unemployed single mothers raising six children on benefits in public housing, who will grow up to repeat the cycle in ever growing numbers.
Well that certainly rings a loud bell. Some years ago we lived next-door to the Town Clerk of a fair-sized and prosperous North Midlands conurbation. (The title is now CEO, but that's another matter.) After many years in his job, his considered solution to the area's sink-estate, was that there would one day have to be an annual cull. His detailed (Friday night pub) proposal was to rent an open-top double-decker bus, load it with pre-selected people equipped with rifles and drive around the estate until such time as the cull quota was met.

I often wonder what became of him.

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Old 7th Feb 2017, 16:04   #73 (permalink)
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A generation or so ago they would have died off as the medical facilities and skills to keep them available on umpteeen pills per day would not have existed and their offspring would not have had their lives dominated by having to look after them.
I know you don't mean that but be careful, it is basically asking for euthanasia to kick in as soon as one get sick.
Since being ill could be seen as not being "perfect" according to some Eugenics harliners in Eutopia's land.
With this line of thought, any offspring would have a much shorter life expectancy anyway.

Take myself as a loosy example. Had my nasty gallbladder not been removed a few years ago it could have impaired me all the way to a much sooner death (who knows)
Now I am, well at least I feel, perfectly healthy and still productive even if my body was carrying at some point some form of a "defect"



So!? Where do you draw the line?
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Eugenics seems perfectly logical to me if you want to eliminate genetic disease and improve the general fitness and intelligence of the population. After all it had been practiced with great success in generations of race horses.

Unfortunately it has become tainted with the concept of Naziism and the "Master Race" since Herr Hitler was so fond of it.

I suspect it will be repackaged in generations to come and made more palatable for general consumption via routine genetic screening before starting a family.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 17:08   #75 (permalink)
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routine genetic screening before starting a family.
The trouble with that is that there is a bunch of people who do not 'plan' to have children - they merely indulge in sex as a recreation without consideration of the outcome.
This manifests itself in 'families' without a stable structure with multiple fathers that drift in (and out) leaving the females to depend on the state for financial support which should be provided by the fathers.
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The trouble with that is that there is a bunch of people who do not 'plan' to have children - they merely indulge in sex as a recreation without consideration of the outcome.
This manifests itself in 'families' without a stable structure with multiple fathers that drift in (and out) leaving the females to depend on the state for financial support which should be provided by the fathers.
I completely agree - it is not politically correct to say this, but one of the biggest social problems western society faces is the concept of the single parent family and it's elevation as a badge of honour in some circles. It may be unavoidable, but it should not be regarded as desirable.

Ok, where's my Nomex suit.
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Old 7th Feb 2017, 19:22   #77 (permalink)
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TURIN it worked for nearly 40000 years, then you whitefellas came along and destroyed a system that had served us well.

Fonsini, very good points.
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The fundamental issue which irks anyone who works and pays tax is to see people who don't contribute, yet make decisions which cost them, the taxpayer, money. As quoted by Rudyard Kipling and later by his cousin Stanley Baldwin:

''Power without responsibility—the prerogative of the harlot throughout the ages.''
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I just think the movie Idiocracy should be regarded as an insight to the future direction of humanity despite how cheesy a movie it is.
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