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Old 31st Jan 2017, 17:56   #81 (permalink)

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Of course the Palace has nothing to do with all this nonsense. Trump was invited by May and there's nothing official Queenie can do about it. It has taken ages for previous U.S. Presidents to be honoured with a State visit, May was just behaving like a star-struck arse-licker when surely a period of time was needed to see how his presidency was panning out.

What fascinates me about Trump is that Saudi Arabia is not on the list of banned countries. Haven't Saudi terrorists killed thousands more Americans in America than Tangos from the 7 countries he has banned?

I have signed the petition opposing his visit and will be in the demos when he arrives (just as I was against Blair and the illegal Iraq invasion).
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I have signed in favour of Trump's visit.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 18:10   #83 (permalink)
 
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It has taken ages for previous U.S. Presidents to be honoured with a State visit, May was just behaving like a star-struck arse-licker when surely a period of time was needed to see how his presidency was panning out.
That is exactly the point May is so desperate to show some success from Brexit she will sell her soul if need be

Inviting Trump on a state visit with the Queen is a precedent which has never happened before offered to Presidents who have achieved a lot and are respected on all sides of the political sphere
They are often asked to address Parliament ( can't see that going well)

To do the same with a man who has hardly set foot in the white house and stinks of desperation. With the greeting he is likely to get I hope it doesn't backfire on her.
I wish she would put 1 millionth of the efforts into courting our biggest market and friends over the channel and trying to put the damage she has done there right instead of chasing empty clouds
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As for Trump coming to Uk it just shows how desperate May is. In any event the Yanks will have picked up by now that they can shaft us completely on a trade deal and Mother Theresa will still go for.

It is just odd that he gets an invite after two weeks in the job and Maggie didnt invite Reagan for over two years and while senile and easily manipulated he was polite and very charming to people.

There is an item on the internet where a US academic has discovered that no American has been killed in a terror incident by anyone from the banned countries but a lot have been killed by Saudis , UAE citizens and a few by random Egyptians and Lebanese. It also showed that the most dangerous nationality in America is unsurprisingly Americans who are 250 times more likely to be killed by gun crime than terrorists and that figure includes the appalling tragedy of 9-11.

While a lot of Americans may like Trump an awful lot are ashamed of their country for voting for such a crass ignorant figure and although we have little dignity and no influence left in the world we should have shown a little more backbone and dignity in this last week. But I suppose having PM who has the judgment and dress sense of an aging hooker doesnt help
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Pax britannica said................

" But I suppose having PM who has the judgment and dress sense of an aging hooker doesnt help"

Have you spent a lot of time around aging hookers, P.B.?
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we should have shown a little more backbone and dignity in this last week.
Yes, parading around in pink pussy hats and screaming like pre school kids is pretty demeaning.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 18:46   #87 (permalink)
 
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One big problem with Summits (G8, G20, NATO) and State Visits is the degree of disruption and cost caused to ordinary people with roads closed, no fly zones and all the rest of the security paraphernalia messing up normal life and travel.

Remember that one US Presidential visit had demands made by the Secret Service for part of the Underground to be closed in case someone planted a bomb. That didn't happen though.

For the reasons above, if they have to come, have all the meetings on an out of the way air base where the security won't get in ordinary folks' way. Hard on the journos, but so what?
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They are often asked to address Parliament ( can't see that going well)
Why not, he will speak eloquently for ten minutes about crowd sizes Don't think he has anything else to say in addition to that other than that everything is great, yuge, will be terrific etc.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 19:29   #89 (permalink)
 
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Judging from the usual suspect's comments....but knowing nothing of the recent ups and downs of the UK Political situation.....is May a Conservative by chance?
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 19:29   #90 (permalink)

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Trump is plenty of things, but I don't really think eloquent is one of them....
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I'd call her sensible and diplomatic - the very qualities we look for in a Prime Minister. I have no complaints on that score.
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I'd call her sensible and diplomatic
She and Trump match each other as they both cause division and hatred
As for sensible ?
What sensible person would put 3 million EU citizens costing 1billion and reducing EU immigration as a red line over access to our biggest market? Certainly not anyone with sense.
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Most dictators aren't voted in to power and more importantly aren't voted out after 4 to 8 years... Whether you like Trump or not he is certainly not a dictator

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Well, that's most dictators, except Hr. Hitler, Vladimir Putin, Lukashenko (Belarus), Robert Mugabe, and a host of other African leaders who gain power democratically and then cling on to it by a variety of devious means.

I would say, actually, that today most dictators, at least the successful ones, do start off being democratically elected.
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The abundance of class Trump is exuberating day in day out is nicely demonstrated by this classy and tasteful press release:

https://img.washingtonpost.com/wp-ap...-AM.png&w=1484

What a jerk.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 20:21   #95 (permalink)

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.....is May a Conservative by chance?
I think "toddler" is the word you're looking for - she's rushing round destroying everything she can in a fit of "look what you made me do" pique following the #brexit vote.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 20:27   #96 (permalink)
 
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What fascinates me about Trump is that Saudi Arabia is not on the list of banned countries. Haven't Saudi terrorists killed thousands more Americans in America than Tangos from the 7 countries he has banned?
Once again (same argument keeps turning up in multiple threads). It's not about the past, it's about the present state of compliance with vetting protocols

or more sucinctly its about who we trust today.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 20:28   #97 (permalink)

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this classy and tasteful press release
Surely that's a "spoof", or "fake news", or "alternative facts", it cannot really be a real US government press release?
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Oh yes they were demonstrating alright. They were rejoicing in the streets and weeing in their pants with pleasure, at the slaughter of innocent human beings. I witnessed that.
Was this in New Jersey perhaps?

We 'know' that happened because the event was witnessed and attested to by none other than the current emperor himself, so it must be true.

I agree with Pace and others who have pointed out that it is absurdly early in Emperor Trump's reign for him to be accorded the honour of a State Visit. Sure, any emperor of the greatest empire in the world should be given that honour, even an arsehole like Dubya or Chump, but Mother Theresa was way out of line in announcing such an invitation within an emperor's first 100 days.

I'm sure the Palace will find a way of attenuating the imperial visit. Perhaps a diplomatically convenient cold will require HM to be out of town at Sandringham or Balmoral. Perhaps the Duchess of Cambridge's pussy will be offered to the grabber as a substitute, or perhaps one of those idle daughters of Randy Andy will be substitutes for that substitute, depending on how bad Chump's further behaviour turns out to be.
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That press release is absolutely appalling!!!

Someone please confirm for me that it is fake. Please? Pretty pretty please?
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 21:11   #100 (permalink)
 
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EU's Donald Tusk sees Trump as threat to Europe - BBC News
https://apple.news/ALiUdbuggRumKramEL2zjmQ

Now the EU are fearing Trump maybe with good cause
His apparent support for Putin and destabilisation of Europe
Which won't suit anyone including the UK
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