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Old 31st Jan 2017, 12:27   #61 (permalink)
 
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Against fascism!

I don't think Niemöller ever mentioned Moslems when he said that; and wasn't he a fervent supporter of the Nazi party to begin with, at least until Hitler decided he didnt like the lutharian church either, oh and I don't think he was that keen on communism either. I wonder, if they came for the Wombats would anybody be bothered to speak out!!

Ironic really.

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Old 31st Jan 2017, 12:31   #62 (permalink)
 
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Nobody is coming for the Muslims. May I remind you all 3.3 million Muslims live in the USA and 1.4BILLION (yes BILLION) are still able to travel to the USA.

Where was the outpouring of faux outrage when Muslim former president Mubarak Obama banned all Iraqi refugees for six months? Meanwhile Jews are banned from the 7 states who currently have temporary restrictions placed on them. Where were the bleeding hearts protesting against that?

Is the outrage because President Donald J. Trump is a white Christian male?
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105,000 signatures now.
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Against 1.672000........
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 12:44   #65 (permalink)
 
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Trump is a pretty nasty individual just google trump abuses wife on you tube
Listen to his comments that if his dinner is not on the table he hits the roof

But the USA voted for him. You make your bed and you lie in it as we will do with a hard brexit
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 12:48   #66 (permalink)
 
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Calm down pace - have a couple more drinks or something
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 12:55   #67 (permalink)
 
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Illegal Votes

How valid is this petition? It allows me to vote, yet I have no connection to the UK other than really liking Wine Gums. And I used to like your soccer league back in the 80's when you had some brits playing. (No, not a US Citizen, just like to say soccer).

I suspect voter fraud. By one click I could confirm it.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 13:00   #68 (permalink)
 
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Against 1.672000........
Not voted / couldn't give a toss 64,000,000.
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The fundamental disconnect between President Trump and the rest of the administration is because he issues direct orders. He does not want his orders to be interpreted, he just wants them carried out as he requested. As a businessman if he orders a 20 storey office block, he does not want one that is only 19 storeys tall, because floor 13 was omitted due to superstition.

With regards to banning people entering the US, he gave a clear command that persons from seven countries would not be admitted to the US. If you are travelling on a passport issued by one of the seven countries, you are not getting in at the moment.

If you were born in one of those countries but have since acquired a different nationality, then your trip may be delayed while enhanced security checks are conducted. Seems reasonable. How long have you held your new nationality? Are you using that to try and circumvent the travel restrictions?

For anyone holding dual nationality, it is only right to question where their true loyalties lie.

As an independent nation, the US is perfectly entitled to control their borders. President Trump made a big deal of tightening up border controls in his pre election campaign speeches. So it should come as no surprise that he is carrying out his promise.

It is the political administration below the President that has decided to interpret his orders rather than follow a straightforward command. They have failed to do their jobs and President Trump is firing them for their incompetence.

The classic when a diplomat or civil servant says yes, they mean maybe. When they say maybe, they mean no. If they say no, they shouldn't be in the job.

A new era has dawned where yes means yes, and no means no. Get the job done or you're fired.

Not so difficult to understand is it?
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yes indeedy.....
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Not voted / couldn't give a toss 64,000,000.
Yep - count me in..
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 15:50   #72 (permalink)
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" A new era has dawned where yes means yes, and no means no. Get the job done or you're fired.

Not so difficult to understand is it?"


Not at all difficult to understand.....a dictator, and a dictatorship, are the same irrespective of the location, or era.

As for the "get the job done or you're fired" observation, I realise that employment rights are a traumatising anathema to the right wing, but, industrial relations have progressed ( and are about to be regressed by the Tory's ) since whatever industrial era you may be fixated on to support your autocratic edicts.........as evidenced by your last sentence .
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 15:59   #73 (permalink)
 
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Most dictators aren't voted in to power and more importantly aren't voted out after 4 to 8 years... Whether you like Trump or not he is certainly not a dictator

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Old 31st Jan 2017, 16:02   #74 (permalink)
 
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Anathema. Now that's a word I've not heard in at least 20 years.

Do you have to be extreme right winger to want rid of someone who is not doing their job?

I might try that in my job. I've got a shift I don't want to do next week - a dreaded Canary Island flight. I think I'll rock up to work and just do a single domestic.

What do we think would happen? Is a propinquity for right wing ideology a requirement in order to see that this would have consequences. I'm paid to fly from A to B as per my roster. That's what my job entails. If I don't do what I'm paid to do I'll be out. It's as simple as that. There's nothing extreme right about it and there's certainly nothing dictatorial about it.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 16:54   #75 (permalink)
 
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GOULI......" President Trump made a big deal of tightening up border controls in his pre election campaign speeches. So it should come as no surprise that he is carrying out his promise."

Well said Sir, he promised, and the people voted for him. Having said that, it's only for 90 days I can't understand what all the fuss is about.
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Amazon boss Jeff Bezos mounts legal challenge against Donald Trump's travel ban - The Telegraph
https://apple.news/AteIMe9gRSIKqd-9rcT7kwg

Big guns making legal challenge against Trump as unconstitutional

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Agreed on Trump was clear but as in Brexit the will of the people is fluid not static and changes
But they made Trump their bed so lie in it even if you get raped in the process. You knew what you were jumping into bed with

Sadly the similarity of politics between May and Trump are uncanny and the same regrets will be this side of the pond hatred and divisive politics cannot work

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Old 31st Jan 2017, 17:14   #77 (permalink)
 
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I wonder how Jeff's legal challenge went when Obama did the exact same thing to Iraqis for twice as long as Trump. Oh wait, he didn't make one did he?

As Obama showed us, it IS legal. If it's legal for Obama, why not Trump? If it was constitutional for Obama to do it, then why is it suddenly unconstitutional when Trump does the exact same thing? Any legal challenge will likely fail and/or score spectacular own goals as Gina Miller and our devolved parliaments recently found out.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 17:20   #78 (permalink)
 
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It could have been a win for the country if the opposition parties had a Taken the power given to them by the Supreme Court
Sadly the opposition are weak and fragmented and will throw that power away
They had the chance of moulding brexit for everyone and securing the economy and our wellbeing and will throw it away

If you do come to London Mail me I will happily meet you for a drink ))
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 17:28   #79 (permalink)
 
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PACE....."
Agreed on Trump was clear but as in Brexit the will of the people is fluid not static and changes"

It's called democracy, I fail to understand what Brexit has to do with it. The sh*t will really hit the fan when the Donald instigates the Mexican wall. He promised it to the people of the US and he'll do it.
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Lets see links to a few of them please.
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