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Old 31st Jan 2017, 07:48   #41 (permalink)
 
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What on earth has happened to this once beautiful country. What is it turning into?

The United States of America has elected their President and like it or not it has nothing to do with anybody in the UK, absolutely nothing. President Trump is the elected President, he is not the Prime Minister but the President and he will be for the next 4 years at least.

Its disgusting that the UK media or anybody come to that, outside of the the USA, should be allowed to rubbish what is our biggest ally's democracy. And to those that rubbish it within, the laws of the country should be invoked sooner rather than later.

I truly think my Father (American) albeit fought a war for Great Britain starting in 1939 and never went back would turn over in his grave knowing what was happening here. Knowing millions died for democracy on our behalf, for some of the dross printed on here.

The fever that a million or so people have signed a petition to try to stop the elected leader of the largest nation in the western world is abhorrent. After our elected leader invites him. What short memories we have, without the USA we would probably be talking German now and that counts for both world wars.

To those complaining about a visit and to those who signed a petition - get used to it, the world is changing and the democracy we have is far better than the alternative. I’d like to think our Parliament will show the United States of America the courtesy it deserves and won’t even debate it.
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What on earth has happened to this once beautiful country. What is it turning into?

The United States of America has elected their President and like it or not it has nothing to do with anybody in the UK, absolutely nothing. President Trump is the elected President, he is not the Prime Minister but the President and he will be for the next 4 years at least.

Its disgusting that the UK media or anybody come to that, outside of the the USA, should be allowed to rubbish what is our biggest ally's democracy. And to those that rubbish it within, the laws of the country should be invoked sooner rather than later.

I truly think my Father (American) albeit fought a war for Great Britain starting in 1939 and never went back would turn over in his grave knowing what was happening here. Knowing millions died for democracy on our behalf, for some of the dross printed on here.

The fever that a million or so people have signed a petition to try to stop the elected leader of the largest nation in the western world is abhorrent. After our elected leader invites him. What short memories we have, without the USA we would probably be talking German now and that counts for both world wars.

To those complaining about a visit and to those who signed a petition - get used to it, the world is changing and the democracy we have is far better than the alternative. I’d like to think our Parliament will show the United States of America the courtesy it deserves and won’t even debate it.
I fundamentally disagree. What is being suggested is that we should doff our caps and fawn to the USA, irrespective of whether the president is the best think since sliced bread, or a tyrannical despot, or somewhere in between.

A marriage is a "special relationship" and sometimes such a special relationship breaks down because of the behaviour of one partner. If Trump carries on in the way he has started, just how long can it be before the worm turns and we (the UK) feel it's time to make new "special relationships" elsewhere - perhaps even with European countries much closer to the UK, like for Germany and the Netherlands
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 07:57   #43 (permalink)
 
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About 300 years ?
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 08:01   #44 (permalink)
 
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I actually don't give a toss if you disagree or Notts.

Its got SFA to do with any us Brits; what President Trump is being afforded is simply a mark common courtesy, something I thought we were supposed to be very good at.

Just how long is a piece of string!

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If the Government feels it has to talk to him, so be it. Come, talk, go. We should not accord him the privilege of a State visit.
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If the Government feels it has to talk to him, so be it. Come, talk, go. We should not accord him the privilege of a State visit.
Exactly! I did notice in the statements from the government yesterday that there appears there is no date set and he'll come "this year" which has 11 months to run. Looks as though they may be buying time to see how things pan out - which is sensible.
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Why Notts - he is the President of the United States of America, remember them! He represents a nation and a flag and its their nation and their flag, that some comments on here debase. It wasn't just British blood spilt all over the world for democracy.

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vapilot2004 >Define charlatan: a person who falsely pretends to know or be something in order to deceive people.
Trump is only doing what he said he was going to do,voted in by the American people,for the American people,hardly the definition of the person you describe.Anyways Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin is boring compared to the Donald,I am loving every minute so far.30 days for the Generals to come up with the ISIS plan,it is a wonderfull thing!
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new "special relationships" elsewhere - perhaps even with European countries much closer to the UK, like for Germany and the Netherlands
That borders on delusional. The UK has made a decision based on it's needs to distance itself from other European states. That was done irrespective of whomever was to occupy the White House after the vote.
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That borders on delusional. The UK has made a decision based on it's needs to distance itself from other European states. That was done irrespective of whomever was to occupy the White House after the vote.
The decision was not to kick other European nations into touch, but to leave the EU. The two may be viewed as different, politically if not economically.
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You can view it as you see fit, but you're stretching credibility to say BREXIT is a vehicle for closer European ties. If any President tested the strength of the special relationship, it was Obama. He is as far from being an Anglophile as I've ever seen or read about in the White House.

If Trump upsets your delicate sensibilities, you might want to consider why you're so upset. He hasn't done anything he hasn't promised, nor do they have a significant impact on the UK. I must say, I'm heartened that I see a modicum of support for Trump, sounds like UK voters are as tired of lifetime politicians as we are.
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You hit the nail right on the head there West Coast 'delusional'. Sadly, my once great country is afflicted with a disease that 'delusional politicians', to further their own ambition have nurtured. No matter how you dress it up. I voted to leave but if 'Kick the other other Europeans into touch' was on the the referendum slip, as opposed to 'leave' I'd have ticked that one for all the same reasons because they both amount to precisely the same.

A pig with lipstick on is still a pig.
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The proposed State visit isn't slated until the end of this year for goodness sake - much can happen between now and then, and hopefully the situation will clarify. To cancel it now would, IMO, be unwisely pre-emptive. It seems that these days we now have a very vocal element of our population that wants our Government to be an organisation that reacts constantly to the populist view (I avoid the term leftist!), rather than Govern.

I agree with all that you've said Mostafa. I wonder how many of the signatories have taken time to read and understand exactly the details of the US impositions and carefully considered the reasoning - rather than simply subscribing to the largely emotive rantings.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 10:20   #54 (permalink)
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Tell us more, John, about this special video you know of, I'm referring to several, different, news reels from several different organisations, the MSM at the time. You are about to lose the last remaining vestige of your credibility if you think it was a set up. Next you'll be telling us there never was a Holocaust.
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I have just signed for the Donald to have a state welcome.
I'm sure the Queen can look after herself, she's dealt with more insidious guests than the Donald.
A lot of people forget what democracy is about.... He was voted in let him get on with it..

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Old 31st Jan 2017, 10:45   #56 (permalink)
 
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Democracy for the lefties is only when it goes their way.
Any other result is undemocratic .
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 11:19   #57 (permalink)
 
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You are missing the point! After brexit it will be vital the UK gets good deals with the USA

Regardless of the rights or wrongs of his policies any visit must be positive in achieving those aims

Having hatred and vitriol against him by 100,000s on the streets will hardly warm him to the UK

Out of sight out of mind and I am sure the government will keep it a low key visit away from public contact but he wanted the pomp and grandeur red carpet thing

Was it a good thing to do ? Inviting a president of the USA so soon after he takes office to meet the queen has set a precedent which has never happened before
It has always in the past been that such state visits with the Queen have been to past Presidents who have achieved great things and not to one who had barely stepped into the Whitehouse

It would have been more effective late this year or into next as I fear a visit now will have negative effects to its goal
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I've signed it. I'm looking forward to President Donald J. Trump coming to see us on a state visit.

President Donald J. Trump has not killed anyone nor destroyed countries unlike some of our previous visitors. You know the ones where the left remained deafeningly silent?

You know what this means? I'm going to London! I cannot wait.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 11:28   #59 (permalink)
 
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This will worry HM bigly. How convenient for HM that she is 90 now. She can always hand in a sick note as soon as Orange Force One is on the horizon and everybody will understand.

If however push comes to shove, let's hope the Donald does not ellbow his trophy wife out of the way as usual to make it to her HM first. Would be a yuge embarrassment for HM.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 11:46   #60 (permalink)

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