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Old 30th Jan 2017, 23:38   #21 (permalink)
 
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Signed with pleasure.

Now I have a question or two for the protesters and petition warriers, against Trump and now May?

- Did you demonstrate after the 911 attacks?? Or any other terrorist attacks since, to demonstrate your out rage and loathing for these animals who flew those planes??

- If not, then why not?

You seem to be protesting against a person who is trying to do something to help reduce these attacks. For carrying out the promises he was elected. There were protests against May. WTF for? Did you protest against Lier Blair, when he promised a brexit referendum if was voted in the second time, then welched on the deal?

I can tell you who were demonstrating just after the 911 attacks, as I was in one of the countries Trump has singled out for a hold on entry to the USA. Oh yes they were demonstrating alright. They were rejoicing in the streets and weeing in their pants with pleasure, at the slaughter of innocent human beings. I witnessed that. That is the scum we are up against. Did the unbiased news outlets report this? Hell no.

As G. Doubleya said, you are either for the terrorists, or against. I totally agree.

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Old 30th Jan 2017, 23:39   #22 (permalink)
 
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Why the delay in Mr Trump's stay!
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Old 30th Jan 2017, 23:53   #23 (permalink)

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Mr Trump is (I think) the first politician to actually begin to fulfill their pre-election pledges. He is doing what he said he would do during his campaign.

My only question is, if he wants to ban Muslims, why not all of them ? For example, how many refugees have Saudi Arabia/Qatar/Dubai taken in, and what were the Nationalities of the 9/11 terrorists ?

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Old 31st Jan 2017, 01:06   #24 (permalink)
 
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More than 1.77 million people have signed a petition urging the government to call off President Donald Trump's state visit to the UK, amid a row over his recent immigration measures, according to the BBC.
193,000 signed in favor of visit.

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Old 31st Jan 2017, 01:26   #25 (permalink)
 
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What's the big deal either way?

If he comes and kisses babies, hands out lollipops, is that a problem?

If he doesn't come, will the union jack fly at half stack?

Just how much better off will the brits be under any scenario?.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 01:50   #26 (permalink)
 
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Muslims in UK top 3m for first time with over 50% born outside Britain | Daily Mail Online

From the daily Mail over 3 million are Muslims living in the UK 50% born out of the UK
2 years ago Muhammed was the most popular new born baby boy name and Muslim is the second largest religion here

It would be politically very difficult for Trump to come here when he is banning Muslims from the USA and the likely demonstrations would more likely damage USA UK relations rather than enhance those relations

As May now wants to ban Europeans to only having the cream of European Talent as the EU are responsible for all our immigration woes as we were wrongfully told running up to the referendum they do have something in common

But should he come ? I don't think it would enhance our trade if he did there is too much animosity here which would be the main impression he would get
Better to delay it at least to calmer times
I am coming from the angle that he won't get a good impression and we need his business with brexit on its way

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Old 31st Jan 2017, 04:02   #27 (permalink)
 
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Pace,

Please link the portion of the Executive Order that in any way however obliquely where
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"Trump is banning Muslims".
....as I would really like to see that in print.

Are you a Journo by any chance....as you seem to be shoveling out some of those "Alternative Facts" we have heard so much of lately.

Also...did you happen to overlook this bit of news that pretty much shoots reports of "Banning Muslims" square in the ass.


https://ca.news.yahoo.com/exclusive-...235509341.html
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 04:07   #28 (permalink)
 
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Well if the anti Trump petition reaches three million, we will at least know who cast all the votes.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 06:19   #29 (permalink)
 
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I see no problem with Trump on a state visit to the UK. Let him have meetings with as many UK politicians as he wishes. However, this charlatan of a man should never touch HM or even be in the same room as the Queen or her family, particularly the female members. The optics alone would be horrendous.

I have an idea that there will be a 'scheduling' conflict with HM unable to attend an event with Trump in order to avoid their meeting, thus not directly snubbing the new American president, although the general notion is that the royals and mainstream conservatives are often of like minds.

Trump's Anti-Muslim Ban:
If we look at what actually came out of candidate Trump's mouth, on innumerable occasions, he pledged to ban Muslims from entry into the US among his many other divisive, hate-mongering missives.

Words have meanings and what you say as a leader in public matters and has consequences. Words also carry intention, so after the election, it is logical to assume Trump's EO is indeed aimed at Muslims, 'Islamic Terrorists', in particular. It is referred in circles of those in the know and the majority of legal scholars as a Muslim ban-lite.

If all of this is beyond your ideas of deductive logic, how's this: the ban includes language that allows entry of those members of "minority religions". Guess what the minority religion in Syria, etc is? If you guessed Christianity, you would be correct. This is a perfect example of Trump and his team being clueless as to how to run the government and behave in public.

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What's the big deal either way?
The big deal is the vision of the lecherous Trump coming within a castle length of HM or her family - particularly the female members. I predict there will be a scheduling conflict, freeing HM from the tawdry task of having to touch the hands of the American 'pussy grabber' in chief.
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American 'pussy grabber' in chief.
He learned from the cigar hider in chief.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 07:47   #32 (permalink)
 
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I can tell you who were demonstrating just after the 911 attacks, as I was in one of the countries Trump has singled out for a hold on entry to the USA. Oh yes they were demonstrating alright. They were rejoicing in the streets and weeing in their pants with pleasure, at the slaughter of innocent human beings. I witnessed that. That is the scum we are up against. Did the unbiased news outlets report this? Hell no.
Oh, how intriguing, please tell us more as such things should never be forgotten.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 07:49   #33 (permalink)
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I think "The Donald" is the least of our worries.


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Old 31st Jan 2017, 07:58   #34 (permalink)
 
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Theresa May's love-in with Trump has put the Queen in “very difficult position” - Mirror Online
https://apple.news/ASSk5yvZjQJ-L_QDpNBfOOQ

May being put under pressure to downgrade the visit

Trump state visit plan 'very difficult' for Queen - BBC News
https://apple.news/A3BBY7GugQGqBL981UXb-lg

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Old 31st Jan 2017, 07:58   #35 (permalink)
 
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Pleased to see there is a "rival" to the cancel trump's State visit one.

There's no way I'm going to sign it; every morning's "real" news gives me more reasons not to - however it will measure the level of support Trump has in the UK, even if in a somewhat unscientific way.

Being provocative for a moment (me, surely not!) how many of the signatories will be right wing Trump supporting Americans? I only ask as the same accusation has been made towards Muslims and foreigners with the anti-trump petition.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 08:07   #36 (permalink)
 
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This is in line with a country that had King Edward VIII. Parallels with Trumpet amazing:

1. Whore monger.
2. Could not be bothered maintaining traditional duties.
3. Nazi sympathizer.

In his case he was forced out by people loyal to the country he 'led.' Hopefully Trumpet will follow this example soon with Brits again showing a backbone.

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Not quite true. We limit the power of the monarch, for much the same reasons as the US limit the power of the President. He was not permitted to marry a divorcee, under the law that applied then, and which was only recently changed. He did not have the authority or power to change the law. He had two choices; remain King and not marry Mrs Simpson, or abdicate and marry her. The law allowed him no other choices.

Abdication was the worst choice by a long way. It made a mockery of the monarchy, and it took years for the public to once more have faith in it.

Back on topic, All most here have read or heard about the new US President is what he himself has said and has been broadcast here, or that which has been broadcast in various forms of the media.

I don't trust the media, think that all forms of media are essentially flawed and biased, and so I tend to skim as many different sources as possible before forming an opinion. In my view, there is such a strong groundswell of opinion against the President here at the moment, that I think it would be unwise for him to make a visit right now. That's not to say that he shouldn't visit ever, just not right now, when there is such hysteria about him.

Personally, all I can see is a man that was democratically elected on the basis of the things he said he was going to do, and he's now doing them. No one can blame the man for doing what he promised, and so quickly, surely? Equally, why on earth should anyone be surprised?

The people of the United States of America chose to elect a President that they knew was going to be a bit of loose cannon, who they knew was misogynistic, who they knew was sexist, racist, and who uses language that is intended to be offensive to many. That was the free choice of those people - they WANTED this guy to represent their country to the rest of the world, in the same way as they WANTED him to do exactly as he's doing.

For those of us outside the US it's none of our business how the people of the US want to present themselves to the rest of the world by their choice of leader.

The really big problem is that our politicians want, and need, to work with him, yet a sizeable proportion of the UK population don't even want him to be allowed to visit here. This is a UK problem, as it is really an illustration of the growing gulf between our "professional" politicians and the will of the people. The Brexit result showed indications of that gulf, and I believe it's growing day by day. That's the real problem here, not the person the people of the USA have chosen as their President.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 08:07   #37 (permalink)
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Oh, how intriguing, please tell us more as such things should never be forgotten.
It will never be forgotten, John, any town or city with a Palestinian population celebrated 9/11, all recorded in MSM at the time.
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Old 31st Jan 2017, 08:35   #39 (permalink)
 
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because he is the leader of a free world
What? The Trump is the president of one country only. How many other countries and also their citizens are willing to be led, or rather taken for a ride, by him is yet to be seen.

Preliminary indications seem to show a bit of reluctance.
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Yes, Trump is LOTFW, you just go ahead and lead from the front Donald and we will be along later (maybe much later).
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