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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 12:54   #1 (permalink)
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Regulating the BBC

PPRuNers who like to comment here on the BBC's editorial policy might wish to see Ofcom's proposals for regulating our national broadcaster.

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/consultatio...lating-the-BBC

You may of course be inclined to ask Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
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Since social media is having a profound effect on politics across the world, the answer is the general public, the citizens that care.
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No one. The BBC isn't the official 'organ' of anything, it just supposes it is. Unwise to suppose it is 'fair' or 'unbiased', which of us are ?. Safest to eliminate it's preferred position. Adverts aren't all that bad.
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Adverts aren't all that bad.
Are you serious?

I cannot watch live commercial tv anymore. A 90 minute film lasts over two hours. There can be several 6 or even 7 minute breaks within a storyline even for a tv series like Endeavour. I give up and go do something less tedious...like ppruning.

The BBC isn't perfect but its a damn sight better than all the other options and cheaper!
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Yes perfectly. Fine to have advert free channels but the BBC has exceeded its station (pun). Believes it is a state on its own. Pity, it was good but couldn't manage itself.
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Actually I've just watched Endeavour, played back in the traditional manner by zapping through the adverts. Couldn't possibly have watched it otherwise, they are just too annoying.
But the BBC does have adverts of course, only they are for its own programmes. Fortunately not for quite so long.
The BBC will always have its critics, some of them fully justified. Politically both left and right wings accuse it of bias - naturally on here it's the latter who make the most noise.
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So how many advert free channels do you want? You can have them without the BBC's sentorious presence. Ok, throw in a few radio channels as well. None of this requires the BBC in its present form or size.
If you want news, watch Channel 4 or Sky news, much more open.
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but the BBC has exceeded its station (pun). Believes it is a state on its own.
No it hasn't, and it doesn't.

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But the BBC does have adverts of course, only they are for its own programmes. Fortunately not for quite so long.
Not within programs, only between programs. An important difference. Commercial channels advertise their own shows AND products between and within programs.

People willingly pay over 300 a year for Sky TV and it still has adverts. The BBC is a fraction of the cost. Bargain.
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Perhaps read the OP first post again.
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The worst kind of propaganda is that of omission.
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So how many advert free channels do you want?
The present number is sufficient. As are the number and quality of national and regional radio stations. For less than 150 a year. Bargain.
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You sure about that or repeating something you once read? How would you judge total silence?
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The BBC is the Labour Party and lib dem propaganda wing .

The tories should stuff the top levels full of ex tories.. much like labour always does .
Then start pro actively recruiting like minded employees lower down. ..
Maybe after 50 years of this it may just start to become impartial
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Regional channels are absolute rubbish and worth 0.0. However the thread was started along a different line, not querying how much you are willing to pay to avoid adverts.Personally
I would value the radio and World Service much higher than the TV channels or the regional dross but each to his own, so we will have to differ on that. However about the editorial policy, assuming you think it has one?
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It is still technically an offence to listen to radio (and TV) broadcasts not licensed and approved by the UK Government, or to transmissions not intended for public reception, such as air traffic communications. It is also an offence to communicate anything that is heard and not "approved".

Satellite broadcasting, the Internet, and wide availability of scanning receivers, makes a complete nonsense of these laws. It is as easy to listen to proscribed news sources as legal ones, so it makes no sense to insist on anything other than a light regulatory touch to try and keep the BBC news coverage relatively neutral.

It is well known that those involved in the media and entertainment field tend to hold views that may be considered left wing and sometimes this bias becomes obvious, especially in live broadcasts. Overall the freedom to create programming and broadcasts without being subject to the whims of advertisers and sponsors should be cherished.
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Oh, apply the same logic to the 'Murdoch Empire' perhaps. Different rule ? Anyway can't say too much as I keep getting banned from these discussions ! However, the OP was about editorial policy. So, in your opinion, does the BBC have such a thing and if so a) should it, b) by what means should it be guarded ?
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The BBC does have an editorial policy. OfCom are as suitable as any government department to make sure that a suitable degree of neutrality is maintained. Civil servants are by their nature very resistant to change, so any sudden change in BBC editorial policies and output would start alarm bells ringing.
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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 22:29   #18 (permalink)
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Not within programs, only between programs. An important difference
I beg to differ.
BBC1 6pm news often has an item that is actually a plug for a later programme. "... And you can see more about that on Panorama at 8 o'clock tonight"
And the morning radio news used to have a daily promo for a later programme. (haven't listened to that recently)

But I do agree that the adverts on the commercial programmes are much, much worse. Breaking into a news programme to advertise domestic products is awful.

Certainly the BBC is far cheaper than the alternatives, and must be protected.
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So what is their editorial policy and do you agree with it. I don't know of any such thing. Why trust the BBC rather than the Daily Nail or Murdoch? Power corrupts. It would be better if the BBC was trimmed back. Safer to have a selection of equals and we can chose for ourselves. There is a danger of self supporting group think based on SE England degree educated assumptions. Perhaps that's were they went wrong in Brexit ? In misleading themselves did they also not mislead us?
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Oh please, get over the adverts and remember your first post. Adverts are trivial. Perhaps I misread your first post?

The BBC must be protected to save you from adverts or because you believe it to be a trustworthy news source?
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