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Old 26th Jan 2017, 02:09   #41 (permalink)
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The BBC is only left wing to the far right. (A substantial number of ppruners fit in to this category. If you don't believe me go look at Jet Blast)

To the rest of us it is middle of the road. Impartial.
Yet executives at the BBC have admitted they are too left wing, if you cast your mind back to the last Hamas/IDF conflict you will find a ton of evidence to support their claim.
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Old 26th Jan 2017, 08:24   #42 (permalink)
 
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What winds me up is the constant Name Checks spoken by Hugh Edwards the waffling seemingly anchor man of the 10.00 clock main evening news, he constantly says things like here is the report from Fred Bloggs, the report is then read by Fred, who says now back to Hugh Edwards in the studio, ..the Welsh wizard then say's Thank-you Fred, that report was by Fred Bloggs... WHY ! do that
Why all this Naming of people and false friendship... if you take all jargon out the news actually lasts for 23 mins on average not the full 30 we are sat watching ..
Or am I being hyper critical ,,,ITN seems is much better and no double or treble name checks!
Plus whats with all the pathetic graphics just to advertise the next on screen programme,..somewhere the ex Beeb managers will be running a graphics company and the fee form us lot is slowly being degraded by such mind blowing graphics.
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Plus whats with all the pathetic graphics just to advertise the next on screen programme,..somewhere the ex Beeb managers will be running a graphics company and the fee form us lot is slowly being degraded by such mind blowing graphics.
Has anyone seen the new BBC 'idents'? Can't believe someone actually needed to be commissioned to do those....
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Having been a member of staff at TV centre for 5 years and worked as a reporter (in another life), and given my wife was a producer in TV newsgathering, I believe I may speak with a small amount of authority.
Although I'd classify myself as centre right, and the PC-ness there used to piss me off, I genuinely believe it is a priceless jewel of an institution.
You brits are bloody lucky having a broadcaster of such calibre ( compared to PBS, OzBC or other public service broadcasters around the world)
For all it's faults, it still originates many cutting edge concepts in TV, many technological innovations, which are then usually picked up and commercialised by the Americans and others.
The beeb is an ideas factory - they'll take a punt on something out there and turn it into a success.
For me, it was like working in a University of TV and the resources available were astonishing. The BBC's TV newsgathering operation was military like in scope, planning and global reach.
It was a privilege to work there... and I'm still good mates with a lot of those who my wife and I worked with.
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Yet executives at the BBC have admitted they are too left wing, if you cast your mind back to the last Hamas/IDF conflict you will find a ton of evidence to support their claim.
Just shows that BBC execs are particularly right wing.

Since when did a point of view about a middle east political issue become left wing (by left wing I mean socialist, not anti Israel).

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Or am I being hyper critical ,,,ITN seems is much better and no double or treble name checks!
I would say yes you are but there again, I cannot stand ITN. It's like reading the Daily Star/Sun compared to BBC/Ch4 News etc.


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The beeb is an ideas factory - they'll take a punt on something out there and turn it into a success.
Couldn't agree more. I recently attended a computer coding workshop with my local scouts at BBC Media City in Salford. Encouraging kids to use simple cheap coding devices to create various effects. A bit like the Raspberry Pi Zero concept but more accessible. Superb night, kids loved it. Not TV I suppose but education and cutting edge.
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I cannot stand ITN. It's like reading the Daily Star/Sun compared to BBC/Ch4 News etc.
Agreed, if you don't like BBC news don't watch it (FWIW I reckon it spends too much time regurgitating government press releases to be watchable and the presentation makes me whince so I don't), but I'd be wary of regulating it in the way some here are suggesting. TBH a lot of criticism here looks like another attempt by some of the usual suspects to shout down anybody or institution which doesn't agree all the time with their POV....just regulate it yourself by using the remote if it upsets you that much.
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Old 27th Jan 2017, 10:15   #47 (permalink)
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Since when did a point of view about a middle east political issue become left wing (by left wing I mean socialist, not anti Israel).
It seems to be a common theme in certain quarters that anything disapproved of must be 'left wing' and therefore automatically to be condemned by any moderate person.

Hence a BBC report giving any consideration whatsoever for Palestinians must in the eyes of an outspoken supporter of Israel mean the BBC is left-wing.
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Oh really? Your quarter isn't the quarter which villified Mrs Thatcher then and for which Thatcherism is a hateful term of abuse? So maybe more than four quarters in the whole.

One thing about the BBC is the extent to which 'politics' occupies so much of its output. This wasn't the situation a generation back. It would be a shame if we lost the advantages of the BBC through its news output alienating the people.
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Turin,

When you write "....I would say yes you are but there again, I cannot stand ITN. It's like reading the Daily Star/Sun compared to BBC/Ch4 News etc. ..."

You do realise that ITN produces Ch4 News?
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Old 28th Jan 2017, 06:42   #51 (permalink)
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Hence a BBC report giving any consideration whatsoever for Palestinians must in the eyes of an outspoken supporter of Israel mean the BBC is left-wing.
Were you off the planet during the last confrontation between Hamas and the IDF Sally? How about BBC reports that only give consideration to the Palestinians and deliberately ignore any possible chance of telling the IDF story?
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Old 28th Jan 2017, 07:52   #52 (permalink)
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" Were you off the planet during the last confrontation between Hamas and the IDF Sally? How about BBC reports that only give consideration to the Palestinians and deliberately ignore any possible chance of telling the IDF story "

Whilst I can't speak for Sally, I do recall the last confrontation and the BBC's reporting. Consequently, I can only assume some form of editing had taken place in the broadcasts you viewed....in comparison to the ones I did.

And then there's the teensy little matter of the IDF....an organisation not generally disposed, I can't think why, to openly discussing their operations for the benefit of the medias and the public.
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Old 28th Jan 2017, 09:39   #53 (permalink)
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Hi Parabellum. Thanks for coming back!
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Were you off the planet during the last confrontation between Hamas and the IDF Sally? How about BBC reports that only give consideration to the Palestinians and deliberately ignore any possible chance of telling the IDF story
If the BBC favours only one side of a dispute, that is wrong and you are right to complain. You do of course have to allow that they are required to maintain an overall balance, rather than put both sides in each report. So a report from an Israeli settlement suffering from Hammas rockets will show their point of view, and a report from Gaza is likely to focus on their suffering.
If that overall balance hasn't been maintained - by the BBC or any other news medium - then they are wrong and I agree with you one hundred percent.

But that was not the issue above. The point being made was the tendency for a disputed policy or action to be labelled 'left wing' in order to attract support from people who considered themselves to be politically unbiased or of a right-of-centre persuasion.
Your inclusion of 'left-wing' in your piece about Hammas/IDC was an example of this. It was superfluous and detracts from a statement that otherwise stands perfectly well on its own.
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You do realise that ITN produces Ch4 News?
I didn't.

Just goes to show that one gets the news one deserves. I don't watch ITV News because when I have it feels like I am being treated as if I know zip about anything. It feels dumbed down. Is that because its target audience needs it to be? Ch4 News appears to treat the viewer as an educated adult and has the ability to be more in depth.

I suppose BBC1 News has to draw a balance between the two.


SallyAnn. Great post. I just wish I could be as articulate.
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Yep, C4 and Sky news seem ok. A plug for the BBC WS too. In wondering about balance it's more what is selected for news rather than its presentation. Syria seems to be a non-fashionable news item, never hear about the Ukraine and what is going on in the countries in the EU. You won't find out listening to TV news as they are selling news to the public and form judgements about their target audience, especially their attention span. However the immediacy of the news, as selected, does affect politics and elections
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Old 29th Jan 2017, 06:33   #56 (permalink)
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Sorry Sally, you are quite right!

Something very annoying on BBC World Service, (Asian Edition) this morning though. Reporter gave a report on the meeting between Trump and Mrs T. May, including some detail, all good, then, at the end, the Scorpions Tail,
(Words to the effect) " Great Britain and Mrs May will possibly want to consider their position as other countries are liable to judge us by the company we keep". Totally unnecessary and not at all unbiased, in my book.

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Old 29th Jan 2017, 08:20   #57 (permalink)
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Thanks parabellum.
Yes that quote sounds uncalled for.
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Thanks parabellum.
Yes that quote sounds uncalled for.
I think the process being described is one of 'editorialising' - giving the view or perspective of the reporter in regard to the story they're reporting. Instead of simply reporting the facts as they are, there is the temptation (possibly by deliberate design) to give the listener or viewers the reporter's take on the overall story. It's something that seems to have crept into UK news reporting on the TV and radio for quite some time.

I find the practice quite unacceptable because I suspect it does tend to lead the less informed and pliable towards a conclusion that the reporter wants.

I quite often sit watching and listening to the news and say to my wife 'that's his/her's opinion and it's got nothing to do with the facts, give me the facts and I'll form my own opinion thank you very much'.

Some reporters are employed to be editors in their own right, Robert Peston for example, so I suppose it's right that they should be asked for, and give, their take on the story to hand. But it's very prevalent, increasingly so I fear among the jobbing reporters.
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It seems that we are not getting neutral reporting so much as an analysis of the situation as seen by the reporter at the scene. That makes some sort of sense given that facts are usually in short supply in conflict zones. Facts are in short supply in most disputes, so just a way of padding stories to fit with 24 hour news coverage. I would have said reporting, but it isn't any more.

The BBC are by no means the only neutral news organisation to have been affected by this trend. They do seem to favour embedding correspondents with whoever is on the losing side and presenting human tragedy stories though.

Perhaps this is what they see as balance.
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I like the BBC, it provides many good programmes on both radio and television. Long my it continue to do so without meddling from politicians............
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