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Old 23rd Jan 2017, 23:41   #21 (permalink)
 
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The editorial standards can be found on the BBC website, naturally enough, and yes I do broadly agree with them.
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I am more cautious than you seem to be. Perhaps I have read too many company mission statements.
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Top story on the BBC news site at the moment is unsurprisingly...

Brexit: Supreme Court says Parliament must give Article 50 go-ahead - BBC News

The second most important story is...

Model Hanne Gaby Odiele reveals she is intersex to 'break taboo' - BBC News

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The BBC is the Labour Party and lib dem propaganda wing .

The tories should stuff the top levels full of ex tories.. much like labour always does .
Then start pro actively recruiting like minded employees lower down. ..
Maybe after 50 years of this it may just start to become impartial
The BBC is only left wing to the far right. (A substantial number of ppruners fit in to this category. If you don't believe me go look at Jet Blast)

To the rest of us it is middle of the road. Impartial.
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No it's not. Brexit is indeed top, next line down is the Oscar nominations and Trump's pipelines, next line is 4 more stories, then the intersex model is on a line with 3 other stories, so it's 8th at best! Different version in France (perhaps they think you folks in France are more interested in intersex models!)?
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No it's not. Brexit is indeed top, next line down is the Oscar nominations and Trump's pipelines, next line is 4 more stories, then the intersex model is on a line with 3 other stories, so it's 8th at best! Different version in France (perhaps they think you folks in France are more interested in intersex models!)?
Nope.

Top line on the home site is still the Brexit story with the "model" story directly underneath to the left on the second line. I would do a screen grab but the other half is using the PC I would need to do that.
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Re the ads. I don't watch the BBC News solely because I don't like the presenters - a curious point of view I admit but there you are. However, I understand the service the BBC provides to other viewers and listeners and that it is important to them. So I am happy to continue paying my licence fee in order to play my bit in enhancing the provision of news in the UK that is required by law to be fair and balanced unlike newspapers.

I much prefer ITV News (I like the presenters and the overall style of the presentation) if viewers decide that they are going to whizz through the ad breaks on their tellies then the point will come when it is unsustainable to any commercial broadcaster in the UK due to the loss of revenue and so there will be less alternative fair and balanced news provision. And no 'Endeavour' either.
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We've been whizzing through the adverts for many years and it hasn't stopped Endeavour being made.

Agree about so-called political bias on the BBC. It's generally pretty balanced.
For every right-winger on here saying it's left biased, there's a left-winger somewhere else saying it's run by the Establishment to support the status quo.
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And remember that for every right-wing Brit there are six right-wing americans claiming the right-wing Brit is a pinko-leftie...

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Agree about so-called political bias on the BBC. It's generally pretty balanced.
Since I can tell most BBC shows are BBC shows within two minutes simply by the unbearable stench of political correctness, I'll just have to sit here and laugh at that one.

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And remember that for every right-wing Brit there are six right-wing americans claiming the right-wing Brit is a pinko-leftie...
To be fair, the right-wing Brits I know are pinko-lefties compared to the right-wing Americans I know.
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That simply confirms that your view depends on where you are looking from.
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" Since I can tell most BBC shows are BBC shows within two minutes simply by the unbearable stench of political correctness, I'll just have to sit here and laugh at that one"

If you don't mind me saying so, should you be contemplating a career change, then possibly being a TV critic could be discounted at an early stage.

That, and we can only hope the paroxysms and convulsions of laughter that engulf you are not too prolonged...... as I understand these can lead to breathing problems.

The adverts.

Apart from the overall quality of BBC programmes, note overall here as they do produce some, that, in an attempt to gain the all important viewer numbers are over hyped infatuated dross, the lack of adverts can only be classed as a distinct advantage.

With most of the commercial channels, the proliferation invariably dilutes the flow of the programme, and, if you channel hop, by an amazing coincidence, the adverts all appear at the same time..... and for the same duration on other commercial channels.

The BBC's "lack of impartiality and left wing luvvies bias" is always entertaining to read, in particular when it comes to political affiliations, here on JB...shame there isn't a JB channel really, then all of our Mail reading / right wing, "non PC" ( another perennial for the societal development anorexic ) could sit there all day and night in indulging themselves in viewing gluttony.....bit like they already do anyway.

The News....not watching the News because you don't like the presenters, doesn't have any validity......notably when it comes to my local station, BBC Mindless Today and certainly the main presenter, however, sometimes, once the adulation for all things football related is ignored, then there are some relevant and newsworthy items.

It's the delivery format that is far more pertinent and, to a certain extent, the BBC have long had a history of hectoring the viewer with some reporters taking it upon themselves to assume the role of Victorian schoolteacher.

I prefer C4 News therefore, but watch both, as the content and presentation styles offer more detail without recourse to the "Now, sit up at the back and listen to me ! " so beloved as I say, at the BBC. That, and the analysis of current events, irrespective of the context, invariably offers the viewer the opportunity to think for themselves, not simply follow the herd in formulating their own opinion.

This possibly explains why C4 news remains an anathema to several right wing contributors on here.

Finally, if the BBC do one format with a panache no other channel can match, and have a deep reserve of "hexparts" to supplement their coverage, it has to be in regard to what can politely be called State occasions.

There are three in the offing, so this should appease those who adore all the ceremonial sanctimony and gushing adulation that will duly be uttered forth for the benefit of a grateful and rapt nation....apart from those of us who can find plenty of alternative ways of filling our time that is.
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That simply confirms that your view depends on where you are looking from.
Most of what would have been the British right wing emigrated during the post-war brain drain. That's why so many Britons believe that pinko-lefties actually are right wing, and the BBC is impartial. They don't actually know anyone who isn't at least a wet-leftie.
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" Most of what would have been the British right wing emigrated during the post-war brain drain "

Did they now ?....or is this bland statement just in keeping with the current vogue for "alternative facts".....and not forgetting the minor detail that many right wing emigrants did so because, well, lets just say their aspirations prior to 1939 didn't quite produce the outcome they so fervently wished,

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I presume when you write

"...The News....not watching the News because you don't like the presenters, doesn't have any validity.... "

You are perhaps referring to me? Who said I don't watch any news? I said I don't watch BBC news - other sources of television news are available.
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" You are perhaps referring to me? Who said I don't watch any news? I said I don't watch BBC news - other sources of television news are available

Correct..... well done for making the obvious connection here as I was indeed referring to the BBC / BBC News...as you may have gathered, erm, from the rest of the post content.
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Komrad demonstrates beautifully the arrogance and attitude of the Beeb.
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" You are perhaps referring to me? Who said I don't watch any news? I said I don't watch BBC news - other sources of television news are available

Correct..... well done for making the obvious connection here as I was indeed referring to the BBC / BBC News...as you may have gathered, erm, from the rest of the post content.
Are you capable of posting anything here that doesn't reek of sarcasm or sneering arrogance. I happy to have an even handed debate with you - on any subject, that's because I'm prepared to accept I may actually be wrong at times and by nature I'm open to persuasion.
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Of course a few years back before news channels, the proportion of air time given over to politics was miniscule compared with today. Monday nights Panorama was a flagship programme. Now it's all rabble rousing like question time and the BBC wants to ' shape the agenda', even if that means hypocritical hand wringing in front of an image of a dead child on the beach.
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The problem that the BBC along with any number of other media outlets have is that they seem to think they must have an identifiable corporate identity. You must be able to look at a news item, drama, or light entertainment programme and recognise the source within seconds. The same formula is applied to everything they do. The same views are represented in numerous news programmes and debates. Every panel show must have a token white male, a female, someone with a visibly different ethnicity, someone with a disability, someone representing the LGBTQI community, and ideally most of the panelists will have attended the LSE or a red brick campus and be ready to espouse left wing views. The token white male is the only one allowed to hold or express disagreement to the other panelists, but is mainly there to be harangued and booed by the panelists and the audience.

Commercial stations and advertisers aren't immune. Typical advert seems to feature dark haired mum, afro caribbean dad, and two blonde haired, blue eyed kids playing with a dog. Nobody questions how illogical such a set up appears. It ticks all the boxes for political correctness.

A little more variety and recognition that although multiracial families are common, the vast majority of Britain is white. Allow different news reports to represent different views instead of following the corporate line. For example, I don't recall seeing a single positive story about Donald Trump coming from the BBC. That may be the corporate line, but I can't believe every journalist working for the organisation hates him. Perhaps they do. Perhaps all the BBC employees have grown up and been educated through the same left leaning seats of learning and basically recruited their pals to join the gravy train.

Of course I am biased. I want to see presenters that represent my cultural appearance and mirror my views of the world, not a multicultural multiracial mish mash that is representative of no one. With a hundred Freeview Channels being broadcast, surely there is room for dedicated channels to suit most cultural and racial stereotypes without having to concoct bogus families and domestic set ups. I guess that is what the Internet is for.
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