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Old 10th Jan 2017, 22:36   #1 (permalink)
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Scientology Inc

You know - el Ron's invention....that very big organization. "Church" is a misnomer.
What does it actually do? Produce? Improve?
Other than a lot of big buildings, books, courses for the initiates....with multi $$$s injections from said initiates.
Don't see anything actually coming out of the organization other than their highest achievements so far...a couple of actors with memberships.


I don't see the world changing for the better from their contributions to civilization so far.
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Old 10th Jan 2017, 23:44   #2 (permalink)
 
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I rather think it has aspirations to be a more modern version of the Masons. Ritual, secret teachings, donations to chosen causes, support and promotion of fellow members, etc.

The main difference? You have to be invited to join the Masons. Scientology only seems to require a large disposable income.
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you do not have to be invited to join the Freemasons; quite the reverse in fact. you have to request to join.
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And it helps to be the possessor of a penis.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 09:54   #5 (permalink)
 
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Unless you join "Co-Masonry", which is for both genders.
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As long as you're not catholic as well.
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As a Roman Catholic and a Freemason I think I can dispose of Metro Man's post. In the lodge I was in (I'm no longer active) there were several Catholics and several Jews, as well as the usual ragbag of C of E, Methodists, etc. Members of all religions are welcome, and the only religious restriction is that an avowed atheist would not be able to become a Freemason, as belief in a supreme being, however that being is understood (God, Allah, Krishna or whatever) is a requirement for admission. Looked at the other way, though, I understand that the Roman Catholic church hasn't always been desperately keen on its members becoming Freemasons, but as I didn't bother to ask the Pope's permission, I'm not sure what the current position is.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 16:31   #9 (permalink)
 
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I'm fortunate that the Scientology people haven't yet discovered how enormously wealthy I am.

My understanding is that there is no such thing as a female Freemason.
Some people call themselves 'Lady Masons'
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Members of all religions are welcome, and the only religious restriction is that an avowed atheist would not be able to become a Freemason, as belief in a supreme being, however that being is understood (God, Allah, Krishna or whatever) is a requirement for admission.
How about Pastafarians, or are lodges not open to those who have been graced by His Noodley Appendage?

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If His Noodley Appendage is a supreme being as understood by Pastafarians I'm sure they would be very welcome. (Not keen on pasta myself, though!)

No lady masons though. Trouser leg only has to be rolled up the knee, so that's ok, but having to bare your breast and have the tip of a sword placed against it might be a bit problematic for the ladies
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 17:15   #12 (permalink)
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I do like the Pastafarians, not only is a colander an official piece of religious headgear but they finish off their prayers with "ramen !"


Each preacher is known as a Ministeroni and the annual festival is known as Pastover.


Brilliant !
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 18:15   #13 (permalink)
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The book/film Going Clear is a good read/watch, while at the moment there's a TV series in the USA called Leah Remini: Scientology and the Aftermath. I'm two episodes in at this point, and they seem to be focusing more on the human cost of Scientology.

The CoS rarely talk about money, but the more you learn about it, the clearer it becomes that it really is all about money. L Ron Hubbard is famously quoted as saying that religion would be a great way to make real money, and he took his own advice and did just that. The amounts you have to spend to climb "Bridge to Total Freedom" (?) are obscene.

After LRH died - sorry, transitioned to a higher plane of existence - the CoS has been run by a chap named David Miscavige, a reportedly nasty piece of work who physically attacks his staff, and whose own wife hasn't been seen in public for well over ten years ... but hey, their legal army beat the IRS in to granting them tax-free "religion" status.
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Available at all good clinics...
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 20:17   #15 (permalink)

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Members of all religions are welcome, and the only religious restriction is that an avowed atheist would not be able to become a Freemason, as belief in a supreme being, however that being is understood (God, Allah, Krishna or whatever) is a requirement for admission.
Would a professed belief in the FSM get you in if they wanted you in for other, non-religious, reasons?
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 20:27   #16 (permalink)
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The masons are essential if you are a local businessman or woman. Well man.
Or a senior copper.. or the mayor.. or a property developer . Or head of planning at the local council or , etc etc
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 21:19   #18 (permalink)

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The masons are essential if you are ... head of planning at the local council
Not in my experience - I went on a tour of the lodge on a day it was open to the public[#], but nobody ever suggested I should join and this didn't stop me holding the planning portfolio.

[#] Both I and the (Labour) MP politely left at the end of the tour, at the point where the booze was offered around. 'Cos we CBA with the paperwork we'd have to do if we'd accepted a drink.
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Old 11th Jan 2017, 21:32   #19 (permalink)
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Given that the the single aim of every religious, faith or creed based organization is to separate the gullible and the desperate from their material wealth, scientology is a roaring success.
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This "helps if you are a mason if you want to get on" thing doesn't always work.

A chap in our lodge was a barrister in the Crown Prosecution Service. He was advised by superiors that if he wanted to get on in the CPS he would do well to leave freemasonry, as it would be perceived as influencing his work. He decided he quite liked being a Freemason and wasn't desperate to rise to the top of the CPS, so he stayed.

As an aside I've just remembered, a chap in our lodge (one of the Catholics as it happens) was a mason. His business was making headstones from imported Italian marble!

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Would a professed belief in the FSM get you in if they wanted you in for other, non-religious, reasons?
I refer the honourable member to my previous answer.
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