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Old 30th Nov 2016, 19:40   #21 (permalink)
 
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Singapore has plastic notes. The only thing that irritates Singaporeans is that while they're enjoying their pork, beef, chicken dishes the notes are blown away by the aircon
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I believe a plastic 10 is not far off.

Going to make their lives a lot harder
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Many soaps and cosmetics contain lard (or tallow).
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Jews won't be deterred from taking money off gentiles.

They'll find a way around the rules. They usually do.
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Id thought that kashrut does allow meat and other animal products, and therefore Vegans are not to be confused with Jews?
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 20:57   #26 (permalink)
 
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New fiver: Bank of England looking to make note meat-free - BBC News

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The Bank of England says its supplier is working on "potential solutions" to the issue of animal fat in its new 5 notes.

The Bank said the problem "had only just come to light" and it was treating the concerns with "utmost seriousness".
I do hope they aren't.

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The petition, hosted on the Change.org website, calls on the Bank of England to "cease to use animal products in the production of currency that we have to use".

It states that tallow is "unacceptable to millions of vegans, vegetarians, Hindus, Sikhs, Jains and others in the UK".

A number of Sikh and Hindus have also urged the notes be banned from temples, where meat products are forbidden.

Hindus believe cows are holy and sacred, and many do not wear shoes or carry bags made from the skin of cattle that has been slaughtered. Practising Sikhs are strict vegetarians.
Difficult to know whether to laugh or cry.
I don't have any Sikh friends; at least now I know that, if I acquire any, I should not offer them a lamb cutlet.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 21:19   #27 (permalink)
 
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It got me thinking. Last time I handled a bill must have been a couple of months ago. The last I used some of the coins weighing down my pants pocket were to give a few to the wheelchair bound bloke at the convenience store, twice, over a couple of months. The next time I handle a bill will be to withdraw a 20 from an ATM to re-stock my change supply.


Everything is debit card and transit card for me these days.
Obviously I'm not in India or even the UK at the mo'.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 21:37   #28 (permalink)
 
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Still no complaints form the tree-huggers about the paper in all the other notes...
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Jews won't be deterred from taking money off gentiles.

They'll find a way around the rules. They usually do.
That's a bit anti-Semitic.

Jewish rules on non-kosher meat do not stop them from using the bank notes. Israel has had plastic notes for about five years now. The substance which is 'unacceptable' is so altered from its original form that it is no longer a problem.
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 22:11   #30 (permalink)
 
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These delicate princesses who need the world re-arranged to suit their precious beliefs, had better not learn just how filthy the average banknote actually is.

Every contaminant you can possibly imagine is on banknotes - from faecal contamination to viruses and bacteria, through to drugs. Probably the biggest worry is the amount of methamphetamine on banknotes today.

The stuff is toxic beyond belief - the latest trend is the authorities are starting to talk about requiring a "meth-free" report on any house you buy, because of the huge numbers of houses being used for drug labs.

New Zealand banknotes are worlds worst meth contaminated currency
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 22:25   #31 (permalink)
 
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I think I'm right in saying that tallow is one of the three bi-products of the bovine brain. The other two are gelatin and semen. Maybe that explains why these new fivers are a bit slimy...
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Cow remains alive, and with a bit of luck, happy.
Just acting as devil's advocate here. I have kept cattle in a very small way (and hand-milked, a fairly rare skill in these days of automated milking). However to keep up a supply of milk throughout her active life, said "happy " cow has to have a calf approximately annually, If she is a dairy cow around 50% of her calves will be male, and as dairy breeds are unsuitable for beef they will be slaughtered within days of their birth. As a meat eater and milk drinker I accept this as an unfortunate side affect of the whole business, but I can easily see that a vegan can regard that as a fair enough reason not to use dairy products.

I actually have quite a lot of time for vegans, not so vegetarians, who are just cop-out vegans in my book!
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Old 30th Nov 2016, 22:45   #33 (permalink)
 
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Since most modern gold is contaminated by gold originating from German concentration camps, perhaps a bit of tallow used in the manufacturing of banknotes is not such a major issue in the larger scheme of things.

If you are happy to wear an engagement ring containing gold ripped from a human being and diamonds used to fund bloody conflicts throughout Africa, what does a bit of a tallow matter in the cash used to pay for it?

Please PM me if you have any unwanted gold or new fivers that you wish to dispose of. I clearly have no scruples.

Stockpiles of old whale oil are still being used to lubricate the most delicate mechanical mechanisms. So perhaps a campaign against expensive pilot watches?
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 00:57   #34 (permalink)
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Oh, NO! The vegie Rivetess will be demanding the recall of the seemingly plastic currency.

I think I posted about someone playing a gramophone record with the corner of one running in the groove - didn't I? Sounded quite good.

BTW, a covenant on my Frinton home forbade me from rendering tallow. I wasn't allowed a Whirlygig either, or the running of an lunatic asylum. I somehow managed to wangle the last one.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 09:28   #35 (permalink)
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Cow remains alive, and with a bit of luck, happy.
Exactly what TTN said above. In addition to the poor cow not even getting the pleasure of being impregnated in the natural way, you should hear them wailing when their calf is taken away. if anybody doubts that this is ill-treatment please read THIS.

And "vegggie" cheese means that even the lining of the dead calf's stomach, which is used for the rennet to make real cheese, gets wasted. I have to say, though, that as a confirmed omnivore, I have been given vegetarian cheese by some of my more misguided friends, and found it quite as good as the real thing.
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Now for a bit of gratuitous nudity, because……..now wearing wool is wrong. Hopefully no-one is expecting socks for Christmas ;-)


Alicia Silverstone claims woolly jumpers are cruel in new PETA advert | Daily Mail Online
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 11:27   #37 (permalink)
 
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To put this into perspective:

"how many cows would you need to make every single 5 note in circulation?

JUST OVER HALF OF ONE COW"
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Just acting as devil's advocate here. I have kept cattle in a very small way (and hand-milked, a fairly rare skill in these days of automated milking). However to keep up a supply of milk throughout her active life, said "happy " cow has to have a calf approximately annually, If she is a dairy cow around 50% of her calves will be male, and as dairy breeds are unsuitable for beef they will be slaughtered within days of their birth. As a meat eater and milk drinker I accept this as an unfortunate side affect of the whole business, but I can easily see that a vegan can regard that as a fair enough reason not to use dairy products.

I actually have quite a lot of time for vegans, not so vegetarians, who are just cop-out vegans in my book!
TTN, regarding the calves ... Veal: it's what's for dinner (at least in Italy, France, and Germany by my recollection). Aren't the calves harvested (just as any beef bovine) and served up as meals?


Thanks for the points from your experience.
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Old 1st Dec 2016, 12:58   #39 (permalink)
 
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Alicia Silverstone is going to become very cold if she doesn't slip something on soon. Our ancestors picked on animal hides and fleeces as the ideal stuff to keep the cold at bay.
Alicia wouldn't have lasted two days in any previous century with her dumb outlook.

Does she know that sheep need to be shorn? If they aren't, they can die carrying around the massive weight of their fleece.
If she's terribly concerned about something as simple as shearing a sheep, then I recommend she spend a few days as a shearing shed hand, to get a feel for the real world.
I could be pretty sure she's never actually had to own or deal with sheep. They suffer a lot more from diseases and complaints they catch (pulpy kidney, cancers, worms, FMD, footrot, internal parasites, Johnes disease, pinkeye, poisoning from various toxic plants) - than a little bit of manhandling at shearing time - and they also drown on a regular basis at watering points.

Perhaps she needs explained to her that animal cruelty laws are extremely strict and rigidly enforced - and that applies to farmed animals as well as pets.
The RSPCA regularly checks on animal welfare if they receive reports of ill-treatment, and they don't hesitate to charge farmers under animal cruelty laws if there are sufficient grounds.
As someone who has handled more than his fair share of sheep and worked in shearing sheds, I can advise her, that the mortality rate from shearing is exceptionally low, and the only time particular care needs to be taken as regards shearing, is to ensure sheep have good shelter from cold winds right after shearing, or they will die of exposure.

No sheep farmer is ever going to re-employ any shearer who manhandles and mistreats his sheep - his source of income, and the beasts he takes particular care to keep in top condition and good health.
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I'm not aware of significant sale (or offer) of veal in the UK (though I am not informed about this).

ABOUT CALVES REARED FOR VEAL

I have 'heard' that male dairy calves are 'surplus to requirement' - maybe they are exported rather than being raised in the UK?
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