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Old 6th May 2017, 05:42   #101 (permalink)
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And yet gin was so, so popular.
Sold by the pint and cheap.
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Sold by the pint and cheap.
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How the hell are 13, 14, 15 year old kids supposed to succeed at school and beyond in their lives if they're smoking dope already? Sadly I know of kids doing this regularly and one lives where I do right now. He's a waste of space stoned gamer and sadly I believe his outlook is bleak.
If you believe dope is harmless fun you're deluded.....
Very good point, but I have to ask, do you think his progress would be any greater if he was sozzled on alcohol at that age?
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A man in Australia, arrested for possession of marijuana, is using as his defense that it is a plant and plants are given to man by God. Interfere with that and you interfere with his religious beliefs.
Substitute "god" for "nature' and I agree with him. That is all it is. Not a manufactured anything, just something straight from nature.
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Very good point, but I have to ask, do you think his progress would be any greater if he was sozzled on alcohol at that age?
The reality is that the scenario you put forward isn't what the poster was referring to, so introduce as many 'what-if' scenarios as you like to confuse the issue and hide from reality if it makes you feel better.
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A man in Australia, arrested for possession of marijuana, is using as his defense that it is a plant and plants are given to man by God. Interfere with that and you interfere with his religious beliefs.
Substitute "god" for "nature' and I agree with him. That is all it is. Not a manufactured anything, just something straight from nature.
That one being used by Welsh Sheep farmers for decades.
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That one being used by Welsh Sheep farmers for decades.
The whole "natural" growing thing was used by those in the Land of the Lotus Eaters since at least just after the fall of Troy, so for at least 3000 years.

If Odysseus had become a blossom-eating stoner like his men and remained there, just being mellow lost in a perpetual recreational high, the Cyclops would have never eaten some of those same men, gotten drunk, and lost his only eye. So much violence could have been avoided. Therefore, drugs are good.

On the other hand, had he and his men remained there until death with no ambition other than seeking the next cool afternoon opium buzz, not only wouldn't there be any great mythical story for the Ages but his wife and son at home would have been needlessly abandoned for the sake of his own temporal pleasure, purposely remaining MIA to their distress, something he or any responsible person ought not do. Therefore, drugs are bad.

Pretty sure this clears it all up.
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Not a manufactured anything, just something straight from nature
The modern stuff is not to be found in nature, by man's ingenuity he has bred the plant to enhance production of the active ingredient, and is much, much more potent as a result.
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People have been using and abusing psychotropic substances since the dawn of time.

Depending on societal environment, some substances occasion more damage than others.

We also see minorities subjected to overstringent policing and incarceration for their minority psychotropic preferences at great expense to the taxpayer and loss of otherwise usually productive members of minorities.

Pretty much every psychotropic substance will ruin a few lives among those who overindulge.

The damage pales in comparison to alcohol and tobacco where many non consumers get killed by drunk drivers and second hand smoke.
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The modern stuff is not to be found in nature, by man's ingenuity he has bred the plant to enhance production of the active ingredient, and is much, much more potent as a result.

Like wheat.
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Pretty much every psychotropic substance will ruin a few lives among those who overindulge.

The damage pales in comparison to alcohol and tobacco where many non consumers get killed by drunk drivers and second hand smoke
The experience in Victoria, Australia.

Drug driving is a serious road safety issue. In the last five years approximately 41% of all drivers and motorcyclists killed who were tested, had drugs in their system. In comparison, 19% drivers and riders killed in the past five years had a BAC greater than 0.05.

Info from Road safety - TAC - Transport Accident Commission

Alcohol and second hand smoke, at least here, has taken a back seat to drugs.
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The experience in Victoria, Australia.

Drug driving is a serious road safety issue. In the last five years approximately 41% of all drivers and motorcyclists killed who were tested, had drugs in their system. In comparison, 19% drivers and riders killed in the past five years had a BAC greater than 0.05.

Info from Road safety - TAC - Transport Accident Commission

Alcohol and second hand smoke, at least here, has taken a back seat to drugs.
Plenty of recent, objective studies done by researchers who are in no way shilling for the tobacco industry OR an anti-smoking agenda examining the 2nd hand smoke issue have come to the conclusion that there is almost no evidence (except in extremely rare cases, let alone the wild exaggeration of 50,000 per year thrown out by the U.S. Surgeon General 25 years ago based on very flawed studies), that it's responsible for people dying.

People are annoyed by 2nd hand smoke. People with respiratory illnesses certainly become distressed by exposure to it. It smells bad. Nobody likes it blown in their face or having the smell in their clothes. But the linkage between 2nd hand smoke and lung cancer or heart attacks just isn't there. Smokers are 12 x more likely to die from lung cancer than lifelong non-smokers. Ex-smokers who became non-smokers are 4 times as likely to die than lifelong non-smokers. But there is no hard research, supported by studying lifelong non-smokers who lived with smokers (usually spouses), that shows they die at a higher rate than lifelong non-smokers who didn't live with a smoker.

I'm not a smoker, but the notion that smokers kill non-smokers in any way relating or equating to drunk drivers killing innocents on the road is ignorant. The evidence just isn't there. I suspect the idea/hoax/ludicrous numbers were originally formulated to turn annoyance at smokers into outright anger to create a societal pariah status of those partaking (because those who don't can now see themselves as victims.. by someone else) while at the same time flawed studies provided handy "evidence" to expand the nature and scope of the massive anti-tobacco company lawsuits at the time.

It's a common tactic for pro-stoner types and dedicated potheads to resort to a tenuous and ultimately useless game of moral relativism with other types of activities instead of just sticking to debating the legalization of pot based on it's own benefits vs detriments. Comparing weed to alcohol or tobacco is really as irrelevant as me comparing the legalization of pot to the Federal ban on the importation and sale of lawn darts, a ban put in place based on how many people lawn darts caused the death of during the course of recreational misuse (which you can count on less than 1 hand). Pot has killed far more people by people doing stupid/oblivious things while stoned be it crashing a car, drowning, bleeding to death after walking through a glass door at a party, napping on train tracks, run over crossing the street to buy more Doritos, boiled alive by fumarole, skiing/snowboarding into trees while wasted, etc etc than lawn darts ever did and yet I can walk down the street and buy a car, water, a glass door, stock in a RR company, Doritos, a trip to Yellowstone, skis/snowboard, yet I can't get a new set of Jarts.

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Federal ban on the importation and sale of lawn darts

Luckily most were made by McDonnell-Douglas so were exempt.


I believe it is all a question of threat analysis. Take out the most imminent threat first.
Concentrate on heroin, fentanyl, mdma, coke, crack, ecstasy, crystal meth, ketamine, I could go on.
The leaf is way down on the threat list.
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Our local narco squad (and a few DEA sorts) who I now and again have a drink with are a bit frustrated with the "synthetic dope" going around. The stuff is quite dangerous to many users. The formulae are variable and in some cases toxic.
They all would rather deal with a decriminalized pot, and focus more of their efforts on the chemicals and distribution networks listed above.
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Watching a Trump/Columbian President news conference where the latter said we have been fighting the war on cocaine for forty years and with not much effect, so we must try harder.


Do they read their speeches before they vocalize?
And Trump follows on to an FBI question. "The FBI is special, very special. All around the world the FBI is very special".


So getting sick of the Washington vaudeville and the hypocracy of international politics.
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Yes it is - a problem that is.
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Having done some Narcotics Enforcement in my time....I would suggest sticking to Dealer Quantities alone might have some benefit....but limited resources need to be allocated where the maximum benefit is derived.

Right now today....in every part of this Country we have a Heroin Epidemic that strikes across all classes of society....and we are seeing Overdose Deaths EVERY DAY.

People are being killed by bad Heroin....again across all walks of Life.

If I were still involved in that kind of law enforcement....I would not even look at a Pot Case unless it tied into a Heroin or other dangerous drug trafficking organization.

I would be pursuing Murder Charges against Dealers when I could trace bad dope back to a Dealer following an Overdose Death Investigation.

MJ use might have some secondary crimes that pose hazard to the general public....but MJ alone is not a dangerous drug in my view.

The Cops need to be able to focus on serious business and Pot isn't it.
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Most of the "bad heroin" these days is adulterated with Fentanyl which, pretty much, all comes from China.
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The reality is that the scenario you put forward isn't what the poster was referring to, so introduce as many 'what-if' scenarios as you like to confuse the issue and hide from reality if it makes you feel better.
Reel that neck in david13000, the thread has a subject wider than one referred to incident. Drink is more of a problem in society than Ganja, I am alluding to the hypocrisy of one being illegal and the other quite acceptable (to those that equate legality with acceptability), many people refuse to see the absurdity in that.
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As we head towards legalization in July 2018, most of the provinces have now started to complain about how much work they are having to do to prepare. Such hardship. Some couldn't design a cardboard box in 14 months. Quebec is whining about having 13 government departments working on it. All this when each and every one already has a well-aged fully set up liquor management system.
New Brunswick is different. They have dived in headfirst seeing it as a revitalization of their slumping economy.
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