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Old 15th Sep 2017, 08:25   #18021 (permalink)
 
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I think you will find very soon it will be.
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So Im guessing you think that the EU would get nothing out of a FTA with their biggest export cutomer who they relay on for 5 million jobs throught the EU

https://order-order.com/2017/09/14/t...r-brexit-deal/
Why are you trying to convince me of something the Remain camp has been saying all along? The Single Market and intra EU trade is good!


The earlier discussion was around a post Brexit example UK-Canada or UK-Japan deal. That you will sign them sooner or later is undisputable. But what will they give you? Will these deals create jobs for you?
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 08:35   #18023 (permalink)
 
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I also notice that inflation was touted as being very bad when it went above the forecast, now the Bank of England is going to bring it back in line with where it should be by raising interest rates, that is now bad.

The exchange rate was also not good and now it is rising again, it is still not good, the fact that this would happen in, or out, of the EU is apparently totally irrelevant. So it seems that whatever happens with the economy it is twisted and turned as bad when it can be blamed on brexit and only good because it indicates that we should stay in the EU, unfortunately life does not manage to work with anomalies like that, in reality.
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Cant argue that this bloke knows about business

Brexit: Burberry's Christopher Bailey sees 'enormous' trade potential - BBC News

but I suspect some no doubt will......
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 08:44   #18025 (permalink)
 
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Cant argue that this bloke knows about business

Brexit: Burberry's Christopher Bailey sees 'enormous' trade potential - BBC News

but I suspect some no doubt will......
Yes, he's a wise businessman.

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Brexit, and changes in the industry combined with changing consumer behaviour, have created uncertainty for Burberry, Mr Bailey said, resulting in the suspension of a planned £50m investment in Leeds.


Burberry already has two manufacturing sites in Yorkshire, where its trench coats are made, but shortly following the Brexit vote last year the company said it was putting on hold the decision over whether to continue with the new development.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 08:46   #18026 (permalink)
 
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Obviously )) Burberry is British,a luxury expensive brand
Running a severely down valued pound must help his sales no end

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Mr Bailey described London as "an energy hub for the creative industries" and said the UK boasted the best design and art schools, attracting people from around the world.
Sorry he got that wrong in fashion and design Italy is still the fashion centre
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 08:49   #18027 (permalink)
 
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I do think as Brexavia becomes clearer we have to stop the sound bite politics and address true democracy which is getting the public approval before we make this death leap
It will never happen, as according to you we are not in a democracy and from what I am seeing Brexavia is the place to be, and the more the EU bluster and threaten and people squeal about how hard done by they feel about losing the referendum, the more I believe it is the right way to go.

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Obviously )) Burberry is British,a luxury expensive brand
Running a severely down valued pound must help his sales no end
I suppose now the pound is rising again he will now re-consider his position then.
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I did predict 'he would be wrong'
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 08:54   #18029 (permalink)
 
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It is like catching fish in a barrel, just too easy sometimes
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 09:00   #18030 (permalink)
 
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Carney warns the public to brace for interest rises in 7 weeks
Which has strengthened the pound. And you, of course, have been complaining about the weakness of the pound for months and months………
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 09:30   #18031 (permalink)
 
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Claims Theresa May could be about to soften her Brexit stance - The Press and Journal
https://apple.news/AHMgBSdY7OUqkRQQa9SMCww

Mays speech and delay with the EU expected to request a status quo and a longer transition staying in the single market, customs union and all that goes with that

If true are the government starting to see reality ?
Then we can have 4 years to work a truly close relationship with the EU which doesn't take us down the route to a federal state

Such an announcement will probably mean the end for May as I cannot see the gang of sixty hard right taking well to such an announcement but she will get a cross party support for such a sensible move
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 10:00   #18032 (permalink)
 
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Why are you trying to convince me of something the Remain camp has been saying all along? The Single Market and intra EU trade is good!
I didnt mention the single market, I said a free trade agreement. With a FTA you can get rid of the silly four freedoms add ons and continue to trade which is what the UK joined in the first place, we never voted to join the EU.


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The earlier discussion was around a post Brexit example UK-Canada or UK-Japan deal. That you will sign them sooner or later is undisputable. But what will they give you? Will these deals create jobs for you?
See above, the answer of course is yes and yes. We are Canadas third largest trading partner, they sell us more than they do to Germany, France, Italy, Holland and Belgium combined. We sell them $6.2 billion a year which is more than we sell all to all but 7 of the EUs 27 nations. A FTA for them would open our market more but also make their markets more accessable to us. Exports include, Vehicles. Machinery. Aircraft, spacecraft. Mineral fuels including oil Pharmaceuticals. Gems, precious metals. Electronic equipment
Medical, technical equipment. Food and drink.

We also sell more to Japan every year than to all but 7 of the EU 27 countries, we both drive on the same side of the road making the interchange of auto parts simpler and have a long trading relationship. Main exports are power generation equipment, vehicles, food and drink, pharmaceuticals and of course our service and finance industries do very well too. Opening up the market to more goods would bolster those numbers. Only Germay imports more from Japan in the EU 27 than us.


Just out of interest we export roughly double to both Japan and Canada that we do to Poland making them far more important export countries to us. On the other hand we are Polands second largest export market. I would suggest that a lot of the smaller EU nations will also lose out badly if there is no trade deal with the UK.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 10:24   #18033 (permalink)
 
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What is actually wrong with the other three freedoms ?
Surely it's FOM no brexiteers like ? But surely that's not directed at genuine Europeans but the millions of Syrians and Africans who flood in and who we fear will end up here overloading our benefits system
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What is actually wrong with the other three freedoms ?
Surely it's FOM no brexiteers like ? But surely that's not directed at genuine Europeans but the millions of Syrians and Africans who flood in and who we fear will end up here overloading our benefits system
You are correct that it is freedom of movement Pace but as we have discussed on here before it is the endless supply of cheap labour that enables employers to keep wages on minimum that drove the leave vote in the working class areas outside the metropolitan bubbles. Thats why areas such as Sunderland and Wigan (both Labour held areas) voted to leave.

This has not affected you or I because of our specific jobs but imagine you are a HGV driver who has seen their wages reduce year on year because you have to compete with drivers from the EU who are prepared to work for minimum wage because there is always someone who will do it for less. It has also hit skills and training in other areas, how many engineering companies now recruit skilled engineers abroad rather than train apprentices? (something I see day in day out) It also hit the UK govts pockets in that they are subsidising these companies low wage structure in the form of income support, something that was almost unheard of 20 years ago.

Free movement worked when all the countries in the free movement area had similar economies but now it just sucks in people from poorer countries who then reduce the average wage for everyone else. Its a classic case of supply and demand, even Stuart Rose (head of remain) admitted wages would rise when free movement stops.

So, no it isnt about African and Syrian asylum seekers its about standard of living. Immigration is a good thing when it is controlled immigration just like the rest of the world, the only area that insists on it is the EU and they are now starting to regret it.

In ither news France and Germany demand the right to suspend Schengen | Daily Mail Online

Looks like the rules can be flexible for some countries but not for others.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 10:58   #18035 (permalink)
 
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More bad news

Pound hits fresh high on rate rise speech from Bank official - BBC News
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 11:05   #18036 (permalink)
 
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Looks like the rules can be flexible for some countries but not for others.
Classic: 'do as I say, not as I do' and some want more of this?

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More bad news
Think that is because we are still in though, cannot be because of brexit as it is good news, well I think it is until the experts inform me otherwise.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 11:07   #18037 (permalink)
 
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you are right and people do not like to make that comment because of the R word but it is true and nothing will change about immigrants from these countries.

As for trade what is the point with trading with countries 4-6000 miles away when the worlds largest trading block is at the end of your garden and as for the idiocy about the strong pound -wow it went up a cent yesterday compared with the quarter it has lost since Brexit .

And as for the people that get quoted as to how well we will do post Brexit peopel like Dyson and Burbery are small businesses on the world stage .

And as for Uk a d London being dynamic hub for development yes thats true but partly it is true because lots of younger people from EU like to live and work here because its near home and they speak the language -once they are no longer welcome (or as is the case Euro cities are waking up to the idea of attracting them (and young Brits ) we will lose that too.

But wew ill have control over our own affairs-not if Mr Murdoch gets his way and extends his abilities to bully any UK politician into seeing things through his warped eyes-lets face it after what happened with the sun and NoW he should be in prison or disabarred from media ownership and in any honest coutry he would be one or the other.
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 11:18   #18038 (permalink)
 
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Think that is because we are still in though, cannot be because of brexit as it is good news, well I think it is until the experts inform me otherwise.
The pound has increased slightly because of a forecast of a tool for controlling inflation
That tool is interest
The Government have fought with the Bank not to increase interest rates because we are a society dependent on loans and debt

The very people up North who voted brexit to protect their wages are now seeing those wages eroded not by immigrants but inflation
The very tool to control that will push those very people to pay more on their mortgages

That is what the government fear that people will turn against brexit when it hits their pockets
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I was 100% correct, for some folk no amount of good news will ever be enough good news!
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Old 15th Sep 2017, 11:22   #18040 (permalink)
 
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In ither news France and Germany demand the right to suspend Schengen | Daily Mail Online

Looks like the rules can be flexible for some countries but not for others.
Schengen and FOM are two different things.

So after Brexit what will stop your government continuing to provide a near infinite supply of 'cheap labour' from the EU/outside the EU? I think that is the point pax B is making?
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