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Old 18th Aug 2017, 21:28   #16301 (permalink)
 
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And some only think of themselves, rather than the country.
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 21:29   #16302 (permalink)


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[QUOTE=Pace;9865471] If we don't get the transition the whole country will grind to an embarrassing halt amidst chaos the next day [QUOTE]

Get a grip
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 21:31   #16303 (permalink)
 
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https://www.visitbritain.org/visitor-economy-facts

Just realised that forecast of 2025 has to be wrong as after March 2019 we will be an isolated poor country that won't let anyone in, what are those people who wrote the article thinking of, I wonder what they are smoking?
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 21:33   #16304 (permalink)
 
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What do you mean by "silver lining"? - or do you perhaps live somewhere that doesn't get ludicrously congested by vast numbers of tourists even in a "poor" year?


For some of us an increase in incoming tourism just means more hassle trying to get around our home towns going about our daily business.
For some folk it will always always always be all about 'ME'

The article says the numbers of those coming is up and the numbers of those going is up, but hey you continue to gripe about the traffic......................
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 22:04   #16305 (permalink)
 
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touris...United_Kingdom

By far the largest group of tourists are from the EU although I agree the USA spend most


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The United Kingdom is the world's 8th biggest tourist destination, with 36.115 million visiting in 2015. US$22.072 billion was spent in the UK by foreign tourists. VisitBritain data shows that the U.S. remains the most-valuable inbound market, with American visitors spending £2.1 billion in 2010.[2] Nevertheless, the number of travellers originating from Europe is larger than those travelling from North America - 21.5 million compared to 3.5 million American/Canadian visitors.[3]
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 22:05   #16306 (permalink)
 
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So what?
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 22:13   #16307 (permalink)
 
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So nothing ! Obviously with a weak pound tourism will increase
I would imagine the USA tourists because of distance would have longer holidays here while EU tourists more visits but shorter time and probably a lot visiting family over here
The data is a few years old but makes interesting reading
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 22:16   #16308 (permalink)
 
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I think you should be directing that statement to our own government if you don't want the country to seize up if we hard brexit out
The Government far from having a grip are way behind the game

This is just one example
https://apple.news/AHzGGUvVvQyqtIlH5Top3SA
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 22:31   #16309 (permalink)
 
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Datsun? How out of date are you?
I guessed someone would bite.
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Old 18th Aug 2017, 22:56   #16310 (permalink)
 
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The techie press (eg El Reg) has been pointing out for some time how ludicrous it is to expect to be able to spend tens of thousands of man-years building thousands of IT systems in at best a few weeks (between the agreement on #brexshit, before which the specs for the systems won't be known, and #brexshit itself, when the systems have to be fully operational). Particularly as the work will have to be done in India, what with the Eastern European techies leaving along with a fair chunk of the NHS' staff, with all the QA implications we've become used to from that approach.


This is an even bigger problem than the fact that the planning applications for the hard border in Northern Ireland and the lorry parks in Kent haven't even been submitted yet, and they'll have years, not weeks, of appeals and judicial reviews to go through.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 00:48   #16311 (permalink)
 
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However you want to spin this? However much you hate the EU and all it stands for They still account for over 40% of our trade and a huge volume of investment which came into the UK because of our gateway to Europe.

How successful or disasterous brexit is will depend on how much we damage that market leaving!
Until we can if ever replace that market with world trade will put us in a very vulnerable economic situation

When we talk of short term pain for long term gain short term is at least a decade

For the billionth time 40 per cent of our exports go to Europe. It is not 40 per cent of out trade. 80 percent of uk trade is domestic
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 08:04   #16312 (permalink)
 
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This is an even bigger problem than the fact that the planning applications for the hard border in Northern Ireland and the lorry parks in Kent haven't even been submitted yet,
There is a flaw in your synopsis, but you would know that, however for those not as astute I will explain:

1, We are told that post Brexit there will be a huge reduction in trade going from the UK to EU as we don’t make much anyway, just a few bottle tops from oop north, secondly car assembly will have moved so they won’t need transporting, which makes it obvious that the current lorry parks at the ports, and Dover in particular, will have more than enough capacity for those lorries trying to travel with the much-reduced goods that will be carried.

2. I assume that as we are also told the EU is better at planning etc than the UK, that they have planning permission already for the huge lorry parks they will need, indeed no doubt that is why the Calais Jungle was cleared and there are convoys of lorry park specialists on their way to turn that area into a car park for the goods they want to send to the UK, but that would be a waste as trade will virtually cease, apparently.

3. Who pays for the EU lorry parks? Again, due to their astuteness this is what the divorce bill will be for, bit like Trump and his wall and Mexico will pay for it.

4. Or maybe some believe that the EU will be able to carry on for free like they do now and it will only be the UK that will have restrictions/costs going the other way.

5. Just consider how many houses that could be built on the spare capacity spaces that will be available around the ports and airports, sorry forgot all the remain people and EU migrant workers will have left by March 2019, so that expenditure would be wasted.

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Old 19th Aug 2017, 09:13   #16313 (permalink)
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A suitably irreverent article, taken at face value that is, which is as about as deep as the cognitive development of several goes, , and indeed one which could be posted on various threads on here.....difficult decision time again...so, as Brexit gets mentioned.......why not.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...en-theresa-may
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 09:38   #16314 (permalink)
 
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You are missing the point I am making
A substantial portion of our economy is reliant on the EU
Decades in the EU and the fact that they are our closest trading block means we are almost economically stuck

Over that time our independence by the fact that we had our own stable currency and huge banking system gave us a gateway status for world traders who wanted that base to trade into the EU

With FOM we have benefitted enormously
Sadly with FOM has come the abuse of FOM and targeting Europeans won't solve that

How things have moved ? From what was a slim brexit vote to the far right vision of brexit which isn't what people voted on
Europa where we live warts and all and the promise of an unknown Brexavia
A promise of white beaches, sunshine blue seas and abundance

May strongly hinted on a deal so good that it would be almost as good as being in the SM
Remain Scotland told to wait and see what she achieved ?
Now all the talk is of what the markets fear for us most
A no deal exit
A government in disarray and rudderless
Yet committed brexiteers tell us all will be fine ?

It was David Davis who in 2009 stated that the whole point of democracy was the ability to change ones mind ?
It seems that democracy started and ended in June last year
Now any dissent is beaten down with statements like
" you are thwarting the will of the people " !

If May fails to achieve what she indicated she would achieve and we are faced with a No deal damaging exit then the people should be asked if they are ok with that !
I reiterate those who have shouted will of the people are those who fear that will the most in case it snatches away their unexpected prize

We need the EU and will do so for at least a decade or longer
They are the biggest market in the world yet we don't want that or rather only on our terms ? That's madness
Sadly with all their warts they hold the ace cards not us
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 10:17   #16315 (permalink)
 
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Just to reiterate

We had the vote.
We are leaving.
May the remainders console themselves if in 5 years time the UK economy is not growing so fast or is in recession.
Yup. You told us so.
AND?
Your point is?
The water is under that bridge.

I do laugh though when I see remainder arguments to ensure our continued economic success after Brexit.
Smoke belching factories
Get back down put
Scrap warehouses

The last of which is particularly curious. For a service dominated economy, you can't really warehouse services. Ah, that would be for the goods we import? Good and crafty idea baldRick. With nowhere to store imported goods, that'll stop them importing.

The economic credentials of remainders on this thread has already been made clear. If your country has an abundance of natural resource, then you are guaranteed success, for example by going down pit and mining it. Or pumping it out the ground. Like North Korea. Venezuela. Russia. Zimbabwe. No resources and you're fooooked. Singapore. Switzerland. South Korea.

And for those that think our trade with the EU will suddenly completely stop.
I ask you to stop being idiotic.
Will our financial sector suffer ? They have found ways to still access the EU with only a few thousand extra jobs being created in the EU. From creating new subsidiaries....branches....etc.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 16:35   #16316 (permalink)
 
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Your beloved Leader warned a cold walk would have dire consequences for every person in this country yet you persist in thinking we can just walk away and all will be fine
Which beloved leader is that? Certainly not May. The only person I trust to enforce a default exit is Juncker.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 18:45   #16317 (permalink)
 
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May made the remarks during a speech Thursday presenting her Conservative Party's policy pledges to voters ahead of next month’s parliamentary elections.

“Make no mistake, the central challenge we face is negotiating the best deal for Britain in Europe,” she said.

May said that Brexit “will not be easy” but she would not shy away from making “hard choices” to turn the country into a “great meritocracy.”

She said a strong economy and delivering Brexit are her top priorities.

“If we fail, the consequences for Britain and for the economic security of ordinary working people will be dire. If we succeed, the opportunities ahead of us are great,” she added.
Forget the trade agreement we have run out of time on that one so next step transition failing that "the consequences for Britain and economic security of ordinary working people will be dire".

Not going so well yet ? On either free trade agreement or transition
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 18:52   #16318 (permalink)
 
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The EU won’t give you anything you want, the UK has asked and tried to get want you want (and yet you constantly lay the ‘blame’ at the UK’s door, as I have said before they have been trying to get what you keep saying is required for you, it was in the Art 50 letter for a start) and the EU keep saying no, as they cannot afford to be seen to allow the UK to have a sweet deal as others would want the same. Why should the UK even bother turning up and wasting time and money, maybe you should petition the EU to have a referendum on whether they want the UK to stay, especially as you are convinced they do. Why this is so difficult to understand I don’t know.
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 19:45   #16319 (permalink)
 
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The clearest of all explanations about Brexit was delivered by Professor Vernon Bogdanor in his speech on 21st June.
You may listen to it at : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9edfG1utRg
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Old 19th Aug 2017, 20:04   #16320 (permalink)
 
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I think I read something by him that he thought that the political scene in the Eu is unstable and its very likely that the Eurozone will break up.

Has he changed his tune on that?
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