PPRuNe Forums


Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 18th Jul 2017, 13:50   #15041 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: On the beach with a cerveza.
Posts: 1,071
Quote:
Originally Posted by pax britanica View Post
So just what great deals can we do with these places except to buy lots of stuff from them which is mostly inferior quality .
You think your Iphone or Macbook is inferior quality - who makes higher quality products?

Quote:
Churchill of course was very pro European which is why was mostly responsible for the European Human Rights Act .
"“If Britain must choose between Europe and the open sea, she must always choose the open sea.”

"“we are not merged with United Europe, we are a separate closely – and specially related – ally and friend, but we will not be subordinated into a federal system”.



Winston Churchill
Jet II is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 14:08   #15042 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Farnham, Surrey
Posts: 649
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
You think your Iphone or Macbook is inferior quality - who makes higher quality products?
Pretty well every PC and proper phone/tablet manufacturer. Apple products are for sheep who value rip-off-priced glitzy style and blingware over functionality.

Well you did ask...

PDR
PDR1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 14:10   #15043 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: On the beach with a cerveza.
Posts: 1,071
Quote:
Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
Pretty well every PC and proper phone/tablet manufacturer. Apple products are for sheep who value rip-off-priced glitzy style and blingware over functionality.

Well you did ask...

PDR
Ouch!


I agree that Apple products are overpriced, but I dont think you can deny that the build quality is second to none.
Jet II is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 14:22   #15044 (permalink)
Resident insomniac
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: N54 58 34 W02 01 21
Age: 73
Posts: 1,770
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jet II View Post
second to none.
Isn't that close to zero?
G-CPTN is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 14:30   #15045 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Farnham, Surrey
Posts: 649
I'm with G-CPTN on this one (something that almost never happens!). IMHO Apple build quality and engineering design is average-to-mediocre. Sure, they have lots of arty-farty types who make it all look pretty, but the actual product is so far short of value for money as to make EasyJet look good...

:0)

PDR
PDR1 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 14:31   #15046 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: On the beach with a cerveza.
Posts: 1,071
Quote:
Originally Posted by G-CPTN View Post
Isn't that close to zero?
That would depend on whether you had English as a second language or not.
Jet II is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 14:34   #15047 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: On the beach with a cerveza.
Posts: 1,071
Quote:
Originally Posted by PDR1 View Post
I'm with G-CPTN on this one (something that almost never happens!). IMHO Apple build quality and engineering design is average-to-mediocre. Sure, they have lots of arty-farty types who make it all look pretty, but the actual product is so far short of value for money as to make EasyJet look good...

:0)

PDR

Name a specific make and model with better build quality.

Lenovo ThinkPads used to be pretty good but the last one I had from work felt pretty plasticky even though it was a lot lighter than previously. The carbon fibre ones are OK but then they are silly money like Macbooks.
Jet II is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 14:40   #15048 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: In the boot of my car!
Posts: 6,011
Walter ( Jet 11)

Quite simply it's their market, to their rules and so to play in that market you abide by their rules which will be judged by them
Norway is not in the EU but is still under their judgement
Pace is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 14:52   #15049 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: On the beach with a cerveza.
Posts: 1,071
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pace View Post
Walter ( Jet 11)

Quite simply it's their market, to their rules and so to play in that market you abide by their rules which will be judged by them
Norway is not in the EU but is still under their judgement
but your article, (you did read your own article didn't you?) is complaining that individuals wont be able to take cases to the ECJ in future.

Do you feel equally deprived by not being able to take cases to the US Supreme court?
Jet II is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 15:31   #15050 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: mids
Age: 52
Posts: 177
Apple your paying for them to protect yourself from yourself.

The hardware is OK ish but nothing special.

The added value is it stops you killing your own computer by being stupid. There are loads of us out there that have had laptops for 5 years plus with zero problems running windows. Saved a fair bit of cash by not being an idiot with a computer.

Anyway I suspect I have sussed out the problem with pace it is actually apple news that's filtering his news to only give him the news he likes. It filters out all the negative stuff about the Eu so he doesn't have a clue whats going on in the real world. He just knows whats happening in his apple filtered world. Which as we know is designed to limit information and not nasty stuff through which the user won't like.
tescoapp is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 16:27   #15051 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Very close to the Theatre of Dreams!
Posts: 155
Quote:
And as for the comments about 1940 I find that offensive frankly to imply that people who are pro EU would have been weak . The truth of course is that most of the type of people who are pro Brexit-including their loudest mouthpiece the Daily Mail were not weak at all but actual pro Hitler. Churchill of course was very pro European which is why was mostly responsible for the European Human Rights Act .
Good because you said
Quote:
Freedom and sovereignty are two political/philosophical concepts. They do not put any bread on the table, they do not pay bills. Everything in today's world is about economics and trade. It may be lamentable, but it is the harsh reality. A reality that will not go away just because people voted for Brexit.
So by your reasoning we would have done a peace deal with the Germans because it would be good for the economy and to you Freedom and sovereignty are two political/philosophical concepts
Rob Courtney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 17:19   #15052 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: On the beach with a cerveza.
Posts: 1,071
Quote:
Originally Posted by tescoapp View Post

Anyway I suspect I have sussed out the problem with pace it is actually apple news that's filtering his news to only give him the news he likes. It filters out all the negative stuff about the Eu so he doesn't have a clue whats going on in the real world. He just knows whats happening in his apple filtered world. Which as we know is designed to limit information and not nasty stuff through which the user won't like.
Ah, that explains a lot. I just checked and Apple News is just like Facebook in that it supplies stories that are based on your likes.

Not a good way to get news
Jet II is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 18:01   #15053 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: In the boot of my car!
Posts: 6,011
Tesco app

It is no secret that unlike many here who are retired and post from the computer my posts are on the hoof from an I phone
Obviously some media outlets are biased! A lot comes down from the independent which I will admit gives a steam of anti brexit news
But the same could be said the other way with the Daily Mail

Also noticed by many is my form of speed typing which gives awful grammar ))
But I have posted in trains planes taxis on the side of the street, waiting for clients in a handling agent! In a Hotel, bar, club you name it I have posted even on the ski slopes above Maribel

But please if you have positive brexit news or a solid economic argument for brexit post it As all I have seen from brexit are negatives not just economically but from the nastiness and divisions it has caused in our country
There is no compassion in
Brexit and that is sad
Pace is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 18:04   #15054 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2005
Location: Very close to the Theatre of Dreams!
Posts: 155
Quote:
But please if you have positive brexit news or a solid economic argument for brexit post it As all I have seen from brexit are negatives not just economically but from the nastiness and divisions it has caused in our country
There is no compassion in
Brexit and that is sad
But we have posted loads Pace and your standard response is "thats because we are still in the EU" so whats the point?
Rob Courtney is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 18th Jul 2017, 18:57   #15055 (permalink)
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Brighton
Age: 63
Posts: 8,385
An informed opinion from the pinstriped line on "that photograph" from Brussels that got the remainder press in such a tizzy....

"Snapshot in time - or deconstruction of a photo...

Humphrey is rarely moved to write on wider government issues (particularly Brexit), and certainly does not wish to express his views on it. Sometimes though something happens that is so staggeringly stupid and yet so widely propagated that a reply is called for to try and set things straight. In this case it is the ridiculous assertion doing the rounds on social media and political spokespeople that David Davis went into meetings with the EU without any paperwork on him.

One of the tasks that generations of Civil Servants have come to dread is the Friday afternoon phone call, usually just when the finish line is in sight going something along the lines of “we’ve just found out the Minister is going to Upper Bongozwania over the weekend and needs a full brief with lines to take”. This is the cue for a flurry of work as briefs are pulled together, lines to take on policy issues formulated and every conceivable issue that could come up is pulled together into one briefing pack that sets up the trip, its objectives and what the Minister needs to do or say at various points. This is then passed to a member of the Private Office, who ensure that it is seen by the Minister, who is prepared adequately for the trip.

A somewhat flippant view perhaps, but it demonstrates that even the most short notice visit will generate some form of paperwork to inform, advise and support the Minister in executing their duties. One of the great ironies of ministerial office, perhaps beautifully captured by ‘Yes Minister’ is how little real ability to really set the agenda or ‘go it alone’ that the average Minister really has. In reality most have wide and complex portfolios, and require effective support from their civil servants to understand the issues, and ensure they can successfully chair a meeting or work a room. A good Minister can make it look so effortless to outsiders, that they are in control of their brief, that they know all the details and that people walk away feeling that the Minister personally cares about their subject. What they don’t see is the huge amount of briefing preparation for these events by the Civil Service to protect their Minister, or the way that some Ministers are very good at improvising, adapting and overcoming to meet any given situation…

'That' Photo...

When travelling, Ministers usually find themselves rushed from car to building to meeting room to exit to car with barely a moment to stop. When they arrive in the meeting room, often jetlagged and wondering what day/week/month it is depending how long they've been on the road, there is often an official photographer there ready to take a photo of the moment (or in some cases, particularly the Middle East, a TV crew as well). This is literally a snapshot in time, occurring right at the start of the meeting before anything substantive has been discussed, and before the table is disfigured under coffee cups and sugary snacks (essential survival tools for long days on the road). It is very rare indeed to have time to unpack and set up before the photographer takes the photos and then departs so the real work can begin.

In the photo that is being discussed at length, it is worth realising a few key points. Firstly, it appears that the photo was taken at the start of the meeting, so highly unlikely that there would have been time to get the paperwork out. Secondly, given the penchant for Downing Street photographers to snap shots of briefing material to cause scandal, even if there was time, why would you run the risk of creating another mini news scandal by potentially giving them material to work with?

Finally comparisons with those from the EU present with the paperwork seem unduly harsh – given they have probably walked down from their office to be in the room, its not unreasonable that they bring the paperwork with them. By contrast if you’ve travelled internationally, then the chances are that you’ll have the papers in your bag. In other words, there is literally nothing here except for a PR photo that has gone viral despite it saying nothing at all.

It is a damning reflection on how infantile and facile the news agenda is when a single photo, a snapshot of time can somehow lead a legion of Twitterati and the front page of a tabloid paper to assume that a Minister has turned up without any briefing papers. The lack of willingness to apply common sense, to think conventionally or to question what is being shown perhaps highlights how hard it is to get complex policy challenges debated credibly in the UK. Instead the debate boils down to deciding its all over before its even started, simply because a photo was taken before the paperwork was dug out.

What an utterly depressing state we appear to be in. What is even more depressing is that in future, its probably a safe bet to assume every such PR photo will feature reams of paperwork on the desks and howls of outrage from the environmentalist lobby over the trees that died in the service of briefing Queen & Country...
ORAC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Jul 2017, 04:45   #15056 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: mids
Age: 52
Posts: 177
Most of the news I read is not from the British press. Hell the BBC now puts out so much biased crap its only worth picking events out of to then go and do further searches on them if you feel like it. Local area news its still ok for keeping in touch with your roots.

Apple news is designed to learn what you want to read about. And then give you it. The more you use it the more it targets what it thinks you want to read and to be fair its usually right, it is what you want to read.

To get any real clue what's happening in the EU mainland you have to use google translate and target the English written international press in Europe and beyond.

Its actually surprising how little comment there is about Brexit there is. Its certainly not the doom and gloom for the UK that the UK puts out. And neither does it say how great the EU will be afterwards. Its very awkward none alarmist comment with the occasional gem from the likes of the Estonian prime minister like "If the UK leaves there is nothing left for the rest of us"

Its very noticeable the lack of some UK newspaper names being quoted. Its always the same ones that get quoted. I must admit if I can get my hands on a British newspaper I will normally go for a Times but not the international version that you get in the likes of Spain and Germany. Why? Killer Sudoku and Sudoku. We never see Times articles quoted in the EU stuff either here or on FB.
tescoapp is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Jul 2017, 05:15   #15057 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: mids
Age: 52
Posts: 177
Quote:
There is no compassion in Brexit
yep and that's the way it should be. The opposition has zero compassion for the UK. It is out to screw the best deal out of the UK it can and try and ensure that the UK is much worse off outside than in.

If it doesn't then other members will want to leave pretty quickly. In fact some members are already thinking they will be better off with the UK than in the EU.

The EU has screwed up with Art 50 and it knows it. It was too simple and gave a easy exit strategy with no hard requirements. Only thing was say you want to leave and you can and we will give you 2 years to work things out. Its designed so that a negative pull on the EU budgets can be get rid of with very little hassle. It was not envisaged or set up for one of the big input country's to exit.

Anyway 2 months and a couple of weeks until the next crisis in the EU with the Catalan referendum.

Any comment in the UK press? I haven't seen anything. 20% of the Spanish GDP potentially removed from the Spanish economy (and 20% of its EU payment)

It has 16% of the population but they only spend 10% of the GDP in the region. If the national debt was allocated by population then that blows the Spanish debt V GDP completely out the water to well over 100%.

BTW there are much better none English articles on the subject but I will save you needing to use google translate.

Oh and nothing about a 53 000 strong territorial defence army being formed in Poland called the WOT to deal with civil unrest in the UK press that I can see. Like it or not there are pockets all around Europe which are flaring up. The UK coming out is just the first country. Brexit is going to be only one of many issues the EU is going to have to deal with in the next 18 months. Only good thing is that now ART 50 is running the UK is not going to have to pull the wallet out to try and solve them (note the try).

https://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2017...catalonia.html
tescoapp is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Jul 2017, 06:42   #15058 (permalink)
Thought police antagonist
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Where I always have been...firmly in the real world
Posts: 830
" Most of the news I read is not from the British press. Hell the BBC now puts out so much biased crap its only worth picking events out of to then go and do further searches on them if you feel like it. Local area news its still ok for keeping in touch with your roots.

Now that is interesting to learn, the bit about the BBC being the source of so much bias that is, although to be fair, this is a tried, tested, and oft regurgitated allegation here on JB, so you're certain to get a supportive post, or ten, from kindred spirits.

There's also one other tiny problem with your unfounded allegation, one which you've thoughtfully included below...


Apple news is designed to learn what you want to read about. And then give you it. The more you use it the more it targets what it thinks you want to read and to be fair its usually right, it is what you want to read.


So that methodology wouldn't in any way constitute erm, bias then ?

You also seem to have blissfully ignored the somewhat self-evident fact, that, telling people only what they want to hear ( to be fair JB and the Mail have long since practiced this art in equal measure, and I'm sure Apple news will shortly be getting a whole host of new listeners now that you have promoted a site that will hold a fervent appeal for those with closed minds ) is akin to brainwashing.

Which, to my uneducated ( official and frequently defined here on JB ) mind, is fundamentally dangerous.

As for the Times not getting a mention, I refer you to the contributions from ORAC who has frequently used this organ for the delectation of the intellectual elite on here.
Krystal n chips is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Jul 2017, 07:34   #15059 (permalink)
Ecce Homo! Loquitur...
 
Join Date: Jul 2000
Location: Brighton
Age: 63
Posts: 8,385
As opposed to The Grauniad?

https://www.demos.co.uk/wp-content/u...al-version.pdf
ORAC is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 19th Jul 2017, 07:40   #15060 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: In the boot of my car!
Posts: 6,011
Brexit a 'fundamental challenge' to keeping the UK together, peers warn - The Independent
https://apple.news/ArsORqrD9QH23XCssY-rpCQ

Tesco app

When I referred to Brexit having no compassion in it and being so divisive I was referring to our own people not the EU
Hate and discrimination crimes have gone up considerably through brexit

Conservative policy has been about what the right of the Conservative party want not the people
The right determine what is or isn't acceptable to them in brexit hence the infighting in the party at present
What May now faces is a reflection of her own divisive antagonistic and controlling style

Former UK-EU negotiator: May is handling Brexit in the 'absolute worst way' possible - Business Insider UK
https://apple.news/AEHskWiojMumhJaDE54T7AQ

Here he says the EU are very sad at the way the uk have approached brexit
Like a friend who has gone off the rails
Pace is online now   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT. The time now is 18:39.


© 1996-2012 The Professional Pilots Rumour Network

SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1