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Old 22nd May 2017, 06:54   #13541 (permalink)
 
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Yes because there is nothing positive in it whatsoever
Where are the solid positives for the economy other than empty statements like the world is our oyster
It is daily news of Brex shit
I wish I could call it Brex shine but so far zero
Whatever way you spin it our success is going to depend on the EU who far from going wobbly are economically surging forward

May is making a speech warning of the dire consequences of not getting a good deal
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Old 22nd May 2017, 06:56   #13542 (permalink)


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From the Cambridge Uni link of Pace's....


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The most commonly cited example of a positive EU impact was no mobile phone roaming charges. Some young people also mentioned the arrival of high-street brands such as Spanish company Zara
Yes, well, if thats the biggest contribution to the UK, then there is no point in staying! It also says a great deal about the people surveyed.

One minor, and, given the opinion of the biggest plus of the EU, apparently flawed survey, does not a remain make.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 07:19   #13543 (permalink)
 
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Yes because there is nothing positive in it whatsoever
How can there be as you keep telling us we are still in so nothing can happen until we leave, anything else is unknown and scaremongering.

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Where are the solid positives for the economy other than empty statements like the world is our oyster
See response above and actually read the articles people have posted of those businesses and investors who are supporting the UK and believe the UK will go on to better things, as you say the markets know more than you.

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It is daily news of Brex shit
Again, it cannot be as we have not left, so anything bad can only be normal market forces and to that end other than the exchange rate and a few defeatists the economy is not to bad considering those trying to prove project fear will come true one day:

https://ig.ft.com/sites/numbers/economies/uk
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Old 22nd May 2017, 07:23   #13544 (permalink)
 
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You are full of brexshit

Best reply ever on this effin merry go round
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Old 22nd May 2017, 08:15   #13545 (permalink)
 
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I shall be content when we walk away from the corrupt Brussels thieves.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 08:46   #13546 (permalink)
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Well Pace is back on my ignore list. I gave him a second chance but he just goes on and on repeating the same insults and fantasy statistics. They're disproved - and two pages later he's repeating them again - and complaining nobody is providing any facts. Enough and goodbye.

What would WTO mean? 1) Lee Rotherham: It would be a walk to a beach, not a cliff-edge drop to destruction
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Old 22nd May 2017, 09:42   #13547 (permalink)
 
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This Gentlemans opinion is his opinion
Obviously May doesn't agree with that as she is again making a speech giving dire warnings for the economy if a good EU deal is not achieved

Of course adding that only she can negotiate a good deal
The problem with WTO and no agreement or even a free trade agreement is there is way more than pure tariffs at stake
There will be a mass of not just paperwork but restrictions to comply with making everything far more expensive and uncompetitive
In competative = relocation to somewhere where you are competative

Brexshit wasn't quite said in the derogatory way you think but in the term of when the shit hits the fan etc
I wish I could be writing Brex Gold but sorry mate can't see it in the daily media
Maybe we will ahead but that will still depend on us cherry picking the EU because without the EU whether you like them or not it's going to be shit
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Old 22nd May 2017, 09:45   #13548 (permalink)
 
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This Gentlemans opinion is his opinion
Obviously May doesn't agree with that as she is again making a speech giving dire warnings for the economy if a good EU deal is not achieved

Of course adding that only she can negotiate a good deal
The problem with WTO and no agreement or even a free trade agreement is there is way more than pure tariffs at stake
There will be a mass of not just paperwork but restrictions to comply with making everything far more expensive and uncompetitive
In competative = relocation to somewhere where you are competative

Brexshit wasn't quite said in the derogatory way you think but in the term of when the shit hits the fan etc
I wish I could be writing Brex Gold but sorry mate can't see it in the daily media
Maybe we will ahead but that will still depend on us cherry picking the EU because without the EU whether you like them or not it's going to be shit
You have a crystal ball?
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Old 22nd May 2017, 10:13   #13549 (permalink)
 
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Who won the Brexit Vote?
Russia. just
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Old 22nd May 2017, 10:44   #13550 (permalink)
 
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The problem with WTO and no agreement or even a free trade agreement is there is way more than pure tariffs at stake
There will be a mass of not just paperwork but restrictions to comply with making everything far more expensive and uncompetitive
In competative = relocation to somewhere where you are competative
Well we seem to be able to manage most of our trade on WTO terms so we know how to do the paperwork

So if its going to make EVERYTHING far more expensive and us uncmompetitive why are IKEA going to start making more of their products here?

The truth of course is it will make a lot of things cheaper as we will no longer have to impose tarriffs on products from outside the EU and it will mean we can strike deals on our exports that are currently banned because we have to rely on a unelected Swedish academic who knows nothing about trade to do our deals for us.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 12:03   #13551 (permalink)
 
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This Gentlemans opinion is his opinion
According to quite a lot of posts you claim to be posting like remain voters views as well, and will only read and post links that have the same defeatist views as you and others you post on behalf.

You appear to have ignored both the links from myself, Orac and others, as it does not fit in with your, or the other remain views you post, opinions.

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You have a crystal ball?
Yes, he does apparently:

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I can know that! its pretty well obvious not rocket science to realise a hard brexit is going to impact the uk heavily
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Old 22nd May 2017, 15:41   #13552 (permalink)
 
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The EU is a lot more than just trade. Can we focus on all the other stuff for once? The Tories know we are losing a hell of a lot so ignore it and bang on about Trade deals. Personally I couldn't care less about trade deals. Can someone tell me why a free trade deal with Australia is going to benefit me more than freedom to live and work in almost any European country without any hassle whatsoever? How about the country losing it's passporting rights, is that worth it just to get a free trade deal with India? Is adhering to European safety standards a bad thing? Is the openskies agreement a bad thing?

Are we not able do do enough trade with the world as it is? What was so unbearable about the multiple free trade deals we have with the world as part of the EU? As far as I am aware there is nothing I am not able to get my hands on in the UK today. Any item from any corner of the globe is within a few clicks of my mouse and it can arrive on my doorstep within a few days without any fuss and at a price I deem suitable. Why do I need a free trade deal with Botswana exactly? I would rather retain a system that forces my government to protect my Human rights to be honest than have some useless trade deal which won't affect my life in any way whatsoever and will just got further towards making the rich richer.

Also, while we are at it, the scrapping of roaming fees is actually a huge benefit to me. What right do brexiteers have to tell me I'm selfish because of that? It benefits people hugely and finally stops big telcom companies from ripping us all off. And before you say it, no, my domestic bills have not gone up since free roaming kicked in, they have actually nearly halved as I have switched to a cheaper contract! I have saved about 100 this month alone because of it as I regularly travel to Europe. Someone please tell me why this whole brexit mess is good for me and what exactly are the brexiteers getting out of it other than being able to lord it over remainers who are actually losing tangible things?
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Old 22nd May 2017, 16:17   #13553 (permalink)
 
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Why do we need parasites on huge salaries and expenses, sitting in opulence in Brussels running our country?
We don't.....OUT!
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Old 22nd May 2017, 16:23   #13554 (permalink)
 
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The EU is a lot more than just trade. Can we focus on all the other stuff for once? The Tories know we are losing a hell of a lot so ignore it and bang on about Trade deals. Personally I couldn't care less about trade deals. Can someone tell me why a free trade deal with Australia is going to benefit me more than freedom to live and work in almost any European country without any hassle whatsoever? How about the country losing it's passporting rights, is that worth it just to get a free trade deal with India? Is adhering to European safety standards a bad thing? Is the openskies agreement a bad thing?
So you say dont focus on trade deals and then do just that
In the old days we had the British Standards which seemed to work perfectly well and where tailored to this country but fear not the European Safety Standards are being written into UK law.

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Are we not able do do enough trade with the world as it is? What was so unbearable about the multiple free trade deals we have with the world as part of the EU? As far as I am aware there is nothing I am not able to get my hands on in the UK today. Any item from any corner of the globe is within a few clicks of my mouse and it can arrive on my doorstep within a few days without any fuss and at a price I deem suitable. Why do I need a free trade deal with Botswana exactly? I would rather retain a system that forces my government to protect my Human rights to be honest than have some useless trade deal which won't affect my life in any way whatsoever and will just got further towards making the rich richer.
Thought you wanted to focus on things other than trade deals

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Also, while we are at it, the scrapping of roaming fees is actually a huge benefit to me. What right do brexiteers have to tell me I'm selfish because of that? It benefits people hugely and finally stops big telcom companies from ripping us all off. And before you say it, no, my domestic bills have not gone up since free roaming kicked in, they have actually nearly halved as I have switched to a cheaper contract! I have saved about 100 this month alone because of it as I regularly travel to Europe. Someone please tell me why this whole brexit mess is good for me and what exactly are the brexiteers getting out of it other than being able to lord it over remainers who are actually losing tangible things?
Well rather than focus on things like roaming fees which to most people is insignificant lets concentrate on other things like being able to set our own laws, control our own borders, control our own waters, not being subserviant the the ECJ, living in a true democracy rather than a ever more dictatorial EU wanabee superstate. The list goes on buy as you say there are far more important things than trade deals and roaming charges.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 16:23   #13555 (permalink)
 
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edi_local:

The best I can find, at short notice, that might be of help with your two questions are these:

Mobile phone roaming charges won't go up after Brexit


What will Brexit mean for British expats?

I know they won't allay your fears, but it does look as though it is not just trade that is being looked at, apologies in advance if this is not of use and I have not posted in this instance to make any point with regard the rights or wrongs of brexit.

The one person who can answer your fears, or make them worse, will be along soon with his opinion.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 16:33   #13556 (permalink)
 
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Old 22nd May 2017, 16:48   #13557 (permalink)
 
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Also, while we are at it, the scrapping of roaming fees is actually a huge benefit to me. What right do brexiteers have to tell me I'm selfish because of that? It benefits people hugely and finally stops big telcom companies from ripping us all off. And before you say it, no, my domestic bills have not gone up since free roaming kicked in, they have actually nearly halved as I have switched to a cheaper contract! I have saved about 100 this month alone because of it as I regularly travel to Europe. Someone please tell me why this whole brexit mess is good for me and what exactly are the brexiteers getting out of it other than being able to lord it over remainers who are actually losing tangible things?
We have had a 3 sim only contract for the past few years as they enable you to use your phone in lots of countries and not pay any roaming fee's.

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Old 22nd May 2017, 19:44   #13558 (permalink)
 
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Theresa May visibly rattled in the spotlight of sharp questions over u-turn - Sky News
https://apple.news/AlrFc-7m-QmSMzETBs1glrQ

Is May really up to brexit and negotiating a good deal for the uk or a puppet on a string stage managed by the hard right
A remainer who flipped overnight
Are the cracks starting to appear ?
Meetings with the public advertised as a children's party to avoid unmanaged guests
Refusal to debate on television

Theresa May isn't looking so strong and stable now – do we really want her leading us into the Brexit negotiations? - The Independent
https://apple.news/A6f-g9rTkRearT9Rb1G5RsA

Too many one liners with no substance

Brexit 'opportunity' for eurozone financial sector says French minister - The Independent
https://apple.news/AtxMvUo3ITKqTSFk3Gml89A

Dangerous days ahead (( we will be asset stripped of anything EU without a good deal but a good deal maybe a step by step brexit with the single market as a red line

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Old 23rd May 2017, 20:20   #13559 (permalink)
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What would WTO mean? - Part. 2: Financial services and data sharing can be managed without a fully-fledged deal
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Old 24th May 2017, 08:50   #13560 (permalink)
 
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edi_local, how many European languages do you speak other than English?

If it's only English then your employment potential in the rest of Europe will be limited by your employability rather than Brexit.....
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