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Old 17th Feb 2017, 22:10   #9041 (permalink)
 
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You keep saying we have offered the EU free access to our markets ?
How could that possibly work
For the EU they might as well press the EU self destruct button if that was the case and you know it
The other big problem is you are not negotiating with Germany but also with countries who individually have no personal gain

We are mostly agreed the EU are in need of reform
I personally think that has to come but at present it is what it is

As for my abstention? That was because brexit was not clear on what it meant ok you will post videos of Cameron stating his scaremongering but it wasn't fact

Norway, Switzerland Iceland are not in the EU and pre brexit I challenge you to find one post by me where I wanted a complete break from the EU to sail off into the distance ?
So how could I vote brexit on the lack of detail or remain in the existing EU and it's structures ?
Finally we were sold a complete dud on EU immigration

As for your heroine May? She supported remain looking at her career thinking Cameron would win and completely about turned her values and opinions overnight for her bigger desire to be PM
How shallow and fake and dishonest is that ?

My position was far more honest
Had I voted brexit you would bundle my vote with the rest as meaning I wanted out means out of the EU single market, customs union wanting to only have the cream of EU talent as you regard the rest of brexit voters which is equally an incorrect assumption

I know at least five brexit voters who voted brexit purely as a protest vote against the EU thinking brexit stood zero chance of winning of course May will claim it's the will of the people what utter tosh May doesn't care a damn about democracy only when it suits her agenda
Frankly Blair is a saint in comparison to our divisive undemocratic hatred creating PM

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 22:47   #9042 (permalink)
 
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they still deserve consideration by the government when making decisions affecting us all.

Their rights should not be diminished by the rights of those who voted.

Think you've contradicted yourself. No ones rights have been diminished. A referendum was held. A result was achieved. The result is being acted upon. Some folks are still moaning but still have all their rights intact.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 22:54   #9043 (permalink)
 
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Tony Blair

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Tough on the causes of Brexit?
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 23:04   #9044 (permalink)
 
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Think you've contradicted yourself. No ones rights have been diminished. A referendum was held. A result was achieved. The result is being acted upon. Some folks are still moaning but still have all their rights intact.
How are the wishes of Scotland who did vote with a big majority to remain or the 48% of the country as a whole who voted remain how are their wishes being moulded into the sort of brexit we seek ?
Obviously they cannot remain but their wishes on the single market and EU immigration could be incorporated so there is something there for all rather than Government for one section of the country only

Theresa May must get second Brexit Act through Parliament after EU negotiations, lawyers conclude - The Independent
https://apple.news/AK9k2N7VbQt6DtyjE7o4J4w

Hence I hope the above is solid for the sake of the country and true democracy
Make May accountable to achieving a deal which is good for the economy
If she doesn't deliver and has a bad deal or no deal give it back to the country to decide if we proceed under those circumstances ?
If the country says yes we want to continue regardless at least they know by then what brexit really means to them and their livelyhoods

True democracy not democracy to fit an agenda

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Old 17th Feb 2017, 23:12   #9045 (permalink)


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Scotland didn't vote. The United Kingdom is the member of the EU, not Scotland, and we voted as a United Kingdom to leave.

The lack of indyref2 is an endorsement of Brexit from our eternally abused cousins north of the border. They have a get out clause (well, a stay in clause really) but they have thus chosen not to exercise it and so the United Kingdom continues to take steps to leave the EU. They like to play the victim card I know, but if they hold the EU so dearly then 1) more of them should have bothered to vote 2) they don't have to leave the EU but choose to remain part of a soon-to-be-out-of-the-EU United Kingdom. Funny that.

How about the one million Scots who voted leave and for whom not one MSP voted in favour for in parliament nor have supported leavers in Scotland.
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Old 17th Feb 2017, 23:44   #9046 (permalink)
 
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Blair's anti-Brexit mission evokes memories of Iraq war - Sky News
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Interesting piece and comparison
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 00:07   #9047 (permalink)
 
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I was no supporter of Blair but she is no better maybe worse only time will tell.
Matron! Pace is out of bed again.

Seriously. TM has only been in the job for eight months. Yes she was a remainer, but has taken on the mantle of leaving the EU via a democratic vote by people of the UK. I couldn't give a tinker's about percentages. The Leave camp won. End of. And I'm sick to the back teeth of hearing, "what about the other 48%?" They voted....& lost. That's democracy.
When that criminal Bliar won the election in '97, was there an outcry, by those who didn't vote Labour, for another election because they didn't get the result they wanted? No. The result stood because that was the will of the UK electorate.

The brakes on Gravy-Train EU are being applied.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 00:21   #9048 (permalink)
 
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Remember Cameron ?
He was our elected leader who said that whatever the vote he would stay to lead the Country in the direction the people wished.
At least May has the 'balls' and understands that she is employed by the voter.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 02:25   #9049 (permalink)
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Remember Cameron ?
He was our elected leader who said that whatever the vote he would stay to lead the Country in the direction the people wished.
At least May has the 'balls' and understands that she is employed by the voter


Unfortunately, yes, he's difficult to forget really....inconsequential, inept and incompetent, but still there in our memories.

Your beloved Theresa, who as we know, inherited the job by accident, isn't employed by the voter.....she's self employed and working purely for the Tory party....less there be any confusion here, this means she's only interested in her own survival and making sure she manages to appease her political party and in particular with regard to Brexit and how much of this debacle can be presented to the public, well the thinking public that is, as being ostensibly tangible irrespective of how duplicitous and superficial this may be.....the voters are a mere inconvenience every five years
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 04:18   #9050 (permalink)
 
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Good enough for a referendom.
No doubt, but not a majority of those with a vote. And certainly not a majority of the British people.

It is with those that say 'a majority voted leave' that are lying, and know they are lying, and continue to repeat it hoping that it will become truth through repetition.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 06:26   #9051 (permalink)
 
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As for your heroine May? She supported remain looking at her career thinking Cameron would win and completely about turned her values and opinions overnight for her bigger desire to be PM
How shallow and fake and dishonest is that ?
I know you don't like Mrs May but she is a politician and I think she played a canny game. She has always been Euro-sceptic and was a reluctant remainer. You didn't see her campaign enthusiastically to remain, did you? She therefore protected her position in government but probably knew that Cameron and Osborne could not possibly stay in office following a "leave" result. She knew she would be well-placed to be the UK's second female Prime Minister. She has had no difficulty in taking the "Leave" position. She should call an election; she'd win a massive majority.

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How are the wishes of Scotland who did vote with a big majority to remain or the 48% of the country as a whole who voted remain how are their wishes being moulded into the sort of brexit we seek ?
I'll re-iterate. The guid folk of Scotland did not vote on Scotland's membership of the EU because:

1. Scotland is not a member, the UK is.

2. The word Scotland was not on the ballot paper.

Sally,

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May has a duty to protect all the people of the UK - those who voted Leave, those who voted Remain, and equally those who did not vote.

Those who failed to vote cannot complain about the decision to leave, but they do not lose any rights and they still deserve consideration by the government when making decisions affecting us all.

Their rights should not be diminished by the rights of those who voted.
Is it therefore alright that the rights of those who voted "Leave" can be diminished?

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It is with those that say 'a majority voted leave' that are lying, and know they are lying, and continue to repeat it hoping that it will become truth through repetition.
Can you tell if there has EVER been a government elected in the UK or a referendum result where the majority of the people supported it?
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 06:57   #9052 (permalink)
 
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EU NATIONALS COULD BE KICKED OUT OF BRITAIN ONCE THEIR JOBS FINISH - The Sun
https://apple.news/AS0MUSQ7rTXmCr2n2eP4zUg

More conservative stupidity and xenophobia suggesting cut off dates as the referendum then enactment of art 50
Legally we are in the EU with freedom of movement until the day we leave
Maybe May likes loosing Court cases?

She should look over the sea and learn lessons from the Trump mistakes

Wingswinger

May was never known as a decisive person and was more of a wall flower
She wrote two excellent articles one on the single market benefits, the other on immigration benefits
I find it hard to believe she didn't believe what she wrote
So she was either fake and false then or fake and false now?
You say she took on a job but how can you do a job well with your heart not in it ?
Doing that job and believing what you wrote on the single market would show in the sort of brexit promoted
I personally think she is a puppet on a string PM heavily influenced and guided by a hard brexit portion of her party

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Old 18th Feb 2017, 07:11   #9053 (permalink)
 
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Pace, do you actually read the links before you post them?
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 07:21   #9054 (permalink)
 
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Not much new here, same old, same old

The trolls bait, others respond
Trolls use same bait, same response
Rinse and repeat
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 07:23   #9055 (permalink)
 
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 07:34   #9056 (permalink)


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Pace. I've had the most amazing idea. Saying as we are going to be rounding people up and sending them back we need a cost neutral way of getting them back.

Remember the train to and from China? Remainers were quick to shoot this down say that we don't sell anything to china and thus the train will be completely empty going eastbound. Maybe we could redirect them to some Eastern European cities and dump people there? Of course once we've completed this we can the flood the tunnel as we don't want them coming back.

I think I deserve some kind of commission or bonus.

No way, that's BS.et us know forget it was the UK who have hinted at both free access to our markets and the guaranteeing of EU citizens. Can't say fairer than that.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 08:14   #9057 (permalink)
 
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Think you've contradicted yourself. No ones rights have been diminished. A referendum was held. A result was achieved. The result is being acted upon. Some folks are still moaning but still have all their rights intact.
Not at all.
I'm reminding that in fulfilling the pledge to continue with Brexit, as she must, she should remember that any commitments she makes should protect as far as possible those who did not vote.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 08:23   #9058 (permalink)
 
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SA,

Please explain how all the people with different views can be appeased? How would anything be achieved in that scenario?

Surely that is the main ethos behind the EU. Everyone follows one set of rules whether you like it or not.

At least a we had a vote in this country.
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Old 18th Feb 2017, 08:25   #9059 (permalink)
 
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Housing market slumps | News | The Times & The Sunday Times

Now the property market is collapsing

With Brexflation starting now to bite peoples pockets will be hit
No wonder May is in such a rush before the tide of public opinion turns as in the USA

The will of the people must be served ? I wonder if hard brexiteers will still be interested in the will of the people a year down the line ?

Next headline Australia demands open door for its citizens in exchange for trade deal
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A slowdown in the housing market is long overdue
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