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Old 10th Aug 2016, 18:02   #21 (permalink)
 
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Do we REALLY need another thread on this?

The hamsterwheel thread has really said all of the above, often several times over, and no amount of debating the finer points of human nature is going to change anything.

I think it's blindingly obvious that for many (most?) who voted for Brexit it was driven by a general discomfort with EU domination, be it daft regulations, fears about immigration, concerns over loss of sovereignty or even just a bit of plain, old-fashioned jingoism.

Both sides lied (oh, what a surprise, politicians not telling the truth when they are campaigning for votes..............), some people made misjudgements, some have been astute enough to profit from the uncertainty.

There may well be legal arguments that amount to debating the number of fairies that will fit on the head of a pin, but I really can't see our government not abiding by the decision of the people in a referendum, whether it is legally binding or not. That's the sort of thing other countries may do, but in the good old UK such a governmental tactic would be political suicide for whoever backed it.

The only certain thing is that we are in for a couple of years of uncertainty. End of.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 08:37   #22 (permalink)
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My shares are doing very well at the moment. The remain camp said we were in for the economic equivalent of a nuclear winter.

This was not a protest vote. The ballot papers were very clearly worded and no amount of excuses will change the outcome. As a starter, we have the entire commonwealth to trade with. They want to trade with us and we want to trade with them.
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Old 11th Aug 2016, 12:54   #23 (permalink)
 
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My shares are doing very well at the moment. The remain camp said we were in for the economic equivalent of a nuclear winter.
So are mine, but that's hardly surprising since with the fall in value of sterling against all major currencies UK shares are effectively between 10 and 20% cheaper than they were for foreign buyers - and everyone likes a bargain. To markets a month is long term and that money could flow out as quickly as it is flowing in.

In dollar or euro terms my shares are worth significantly less than they were on 23.6.16. Fortunately I have no plans to sell them and move abroad in the next few weeks!
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So are mine, I bought canon Ef500mm on part of the profits, can't be bad
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 11:16   #25 (permalink)
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It seems the German Business conglomerates(cars, Chemicals & Plastics) are getting worried,...they have suddenly totted up what the UK purchased from them last year pre the Referendum result ( it was 71Bn Euro) they are asking what happens if Frau Merkel and he gang of three act tough on the market conditions the UK will be able to agree on.....for obviously if they hike import taxes on the Brits, then their purchases will cost them more to buy....

What a paradox for the EU..seems as more days go by they are realising that some serious problems are coming their way, really just through allowing un elected idiots to control the entire EU political field..

Oh dear ..What a shame...Never mind....!!..

Just for the remainers Houses are selling faster now than last year, Car registrations in the UK are up nearly 7 %, export enquires from the old Empire/Commonwealth states are huge, and many small to medium companies are excited at the amount of work/enquiries they are receiving since the Vote to leave....
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 11:41   #26 (permalink)
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if they hike import taxes on the Brits, then their purchases will cost them more to buy....
How can the EU apply import taxes on an independent Britain?
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 11:51   #27 (permalink)
 
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It seems the German Business conglomerates(cars, Chemicals & Plastics) are getting worried,...they have suddenly totted up what the UK purchased from them last year pre the Referendum result ( it was 71Bn Euro) they are asking what happens if Frau Merkel and he gang of three act tough on the market conditions the UK will be able to agree on.....
It's already hurting them!

Brexit pushes Opel to cut staff hours in Germany - BBC News

I think it's most unlikely that the EU would impose taxes on EU goods exported to the UK. What they could do, of course, is tax EU imports from the UK. In which case we could respond in kind.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 12:29   #28 (permalink)
 
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Indeed we could and certainly would!
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It's already hurting them!

Brexit pushes Opel to cut staff hours in Germany - BBC News

I think it's most unlikely that the EU would impose taxes on EU goods exported to the UK. What they could do, of course, is tax EU imports from the UK. In which case we could respond in kind.
Of course it's not! UK hasn't left the EU so absolutely nothing has changed. This nothing more than Opel offering up excuses to it's workforce for it's inability to offer a product range that is a hit with European car buyers, including those in UK.

As people have said in various threads before, commerce are presently using Brexit as a fig leaf to cover for their own commercial inadequacies.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 14:32   #30 (permalink)
 
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fears about immigration, concerns over loss of sovereignty or even just a bit of plain, old-fashioned jingoism.
But as feared the government seem to be ignoring EU immigration and firing their attention toward people like the 80,000 ex EU here on student visas
Of course there is an uproar from the colleges who rely on that income
The EU are putting their foot down on freedom of movement and my guess is the UK will back down and do more than tinkering at the edges
My guess also is that they will do little with the 1 million illegal immigrants here so will tighten up immigration laws on the law abiding genuine immigrants making more hoops for them to jump through while the people we should not want will continue to flow as will EU citizens
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Of course it's not! UK hasn't left the EU so absolutely nothing has changed.
Fair comment. But it is indicative of the hit that EU exports to the UK could take if they choose to embark upon a trade war.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 19:34   #32 (permalink)
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Imposition of import taxes BENEFITS the country imposing the tax at the COST to its OWN citizens. It might affect the exporting country's manufacturer s and thus indirectly the exporting exchequer. It might also benefit its home producers IF they produce the same Good.

However the French are not noted for preferring imports over home product and neither are the Germans
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 20:15   #33 (permalink)
 
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The vote was basically a question about whether the UK would be better off IN or OUT of the EU.

Virtually every single person I know who voted Remain was concerned about the effect a Brexit decision would affect their own personal circumstances.

Read any thread on here or any other social media source and the same thing is blindingly apparent, the 'Haves' are are bitching like stuck pigs in the classically 'me me me and f@@k the poor folk' mindset that they have.

I am more 'have' than many many many people, not going to go into details as it riles our resident Komrade, but I voted Brexit because there is a massively bigger picture out there.
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Old 27th Aug 2016, 20:57   #34 (permalink)
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SFP, I was simply bemused by the contradictory outpourings from both camps, each demonstrably lying, or distorting the facts.

It was, as you said, a vote for me or them. I am not unhappy at the present situation but that may change.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 10:32   #35 (permalink)
 
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Since the referendum a manufacturer in Northampton has seen its order book grow (mainly due to the /$) and has taken on 5 workers to keep up with demand. But you won't see these stories on the BBC.

How about being positive a doing something like this https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/161999
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 11:18   #36 (permalink)

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This family's #brexit costs are only around 100 so far (around 95 in direct costs and 5 in worse currency exchange rates). But that's only the start, of course.


Benefits? - well, they don't seem to be working out as promised, do they: this week's news seems to be about NHS cuts, not the 350m/week that #brexit promised.
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Nobody in #Brexit promised 350m a week for the NHS. How could they. They weren't in Government. It was merely suggested but it would compete with other departments and with tax cuts.
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Old 28th Aug 2016, 13:26   #38 (permalink)
 
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Ok it wasn't a promise, but it was a direct implication delivered with enough chutzpah to fool the gullible. I intended to vote leave then hesitated in the booth and put my paper in sans cross. Something just told me I was being conned. If the referendum was rerun I would vote remain.
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So you believed the bit about the Emergency Budget EM? Both sides were blagging it, you need to make your own minds up, not listen to politicians spouting ballhooks
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Nobody in #Brexit promised 350m a week for the NHS. How could they. They weren't in Government. It was merely suggested but it would compete with other departments and with tax cuts.
During the campaign, day in day out Boris and his mates promised precisely that, and made sure we all remembered it by plastering the promise (= bare faced lie) all over their battle bus.

It won't happen, but I firmly believe that were the referendum to be re-run in 6 months time, supposing Article 50 had not been invoked by then, the result could be very different - especially if both sides were to be been governed by the usual rules for advertising laid down by the Advertising Standards Authority.
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