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Old 8th Aug 2016, 00:01   #1 (permalink)
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Global Warming Hysteria fades away

Looks like the USA will be the worlds biggest energy exporter next year...

"...Exploitation of new oil and gas reserves by fracking shale rock has transformed the US economy since it started just 11 years ago creating at least a million jobs and slashing electricity bills and greenhouse gas emissions.

The scale of this energy revolution is almost unimaginable.

The Marcellus shale bed in Pennsylvania is thought by geologists to contain enough gas to power and heat every home in America for 50 to 100 years. Yet a few hundred feet beneath it lies another giant formation, the Utica, that contains enough gas for a further century..."



The USA ? Fracking its way to jobs, wealth and lower emissions JoNova






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Old 8th Aug 2016, 00:06   #2 (permalink)
 
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Fracking, the source of the energy glut in America, is the dirtiest, most energy-intensive, polluting, water-wasting, environmentally unsound method of oil extraction known to man.

"Screw the future, kids, full steam ahead" - last words of Captain Greedo, chairman, Oily-Greedy Bass Turds, Inc., and Commander of the USS Titanically Short-Sighted, last seen navigating the treacherous twin shoals of Common Sense and Global Stewardship.
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 08:11   #3 (permalink)
 
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Fracking, the source of the energy glut in America, is the dirtiest, most energy-intensive, polluting, water-wasting, environmentally unsound method of oil extraction known to man.
Really? Care to back that claim? There's a lot of absolutes in there that have me curious as to accuracy.
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 08:33   #4 (permalink)
 
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Must admit I don't get the opposition on this one. It's mainly just another method of oil and gas extraction with pretty much the same associated risks.
The "greener than your greens" seem to be against it because it is more fossil fuel.


I've always thought protests from them might be better targeted at potable water shortages in this world.
More than 2.7 billion people do not have access to fresh water for at least one month each year. Currently, some 860 million people live in slums around the world; their lack of access to clean water carries enormous health consequences. Aquifers around the world continue to be drained to levels that are just not replenishable.


Take for instance Sana’a, the capital of Yemen.
Water was scarce even before the current conflict began, made worse by an increasing population and poor water management. Just 48% of the Yemeni capital’s 2.2 million inhabitants receive piped water and the rest get water through tankers, which is five-to-10 times more expensive. Around 60% of water is lost through leaks, while the cultivation of khat – a popular mild narcotic – accounts for 40% of the water drawn from the Sana’a Basin.


Seems to me that is a far worse problem than the occasional minor tremor.
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 08:37   #5 (permalink)
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And when oil wells run dry the sand will sink, the sea will inundate, and sea level rise will be stopped. Don't think it will drop enough to be able to walk across the Red Sea though
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 08:39   #6 (permalink)
 
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 11:01   #7 (permalink)
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Meanwhile, our new PM has promised 10,000 to every household in a fracking area.
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10,000. What a bonus.
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West Coast, I challenge you to spend an hour and a half of your time to watch the full documentary I posted. The people who are interviewed in it are all from true Republican states, and it's not a 'Michael Moore' handpicked selection, but people who have been truly effected, their neighbours and their neighbours. 'Politics' is irrelevant to these people if you want to claim that it's 'biased'.

I have a feeling that you'll just reply with the usual political mantra, corporate jingoism and the old typical right wing 'they're just 'huggy fluffs' response. Watch the doco and look at the people who he talks to.

I don't expect a response. 'Uncomfortable truths' seem to be too difficult to elicit a response amongst some.
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Somewhere, there is a thread about fracking containing a lot of excellent posts from someone who actually knows something about the subject. He explains the facts about it and I personally found it very illuminating. I can't find it at the moment but if anyone is interested in the subject it is around somewhere (fairly sure it was on JB).
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 14:24   #11 (permalink)
 
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Thread was called:

Frack off, the lot of you. We're going to do it anyway!

and the knowledgeable poster (among others) was airwave45
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 14:33   #12 (permalink)
 
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Mods can feel free to merge if they like. It's not their fault that the OP doesn't know how to use the search function.

Frack at your will. No one (especially our 'aging' right wing friends) seems to GAF about what will happen after they personally have turned into worm food these days, so go for it.

It's all about 'me' for that generation.
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Frack off, the lot of you. We're going to do it anyway!

and the knowledgeable poster (among others) was airwave45
Thanks, just found it again and I agree, Airwave45 is the guy who obviously knows a lot about it. Interesting reading.


Frack off, the lot of you. We're going to do it anyway!


Hempy, grow up !!
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Good find/reminder Georgie!
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 15:04   #15 (permalink)
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It's funny but have you noticed that it is exactly the same people who scorn climate change sceptics for not accepting the "scientific consensus" are exactly the same people who refuse to believe the evidence from the Royal Society, the Geological Society and other experts that fracking can be performed safely?

Just saying.....

https://royalsociety.org/topics-poli...action/report/

https://www.geolsoc.org.uk/Policy-an...s-and-Fracking
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 15:11   #16 (permalink)
 
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Hempy, grow up !!
lol! Thanks for that champ. Although I haven't reached anywhere near your vintage just yet (thank Christ...and if I did I wouldn't be wasting what time I had left on PPRuNe) I consider myself well and truly 'grown up'.

Perhaps, given the time you have left, it's time for you to pass on something for your childrens childrens children something to be able to prosper by (I know that it's a foreign thought to you, but kindly consider it for more than a second before divulging into your selfish repartee).

Watch the doco and then come back to me..
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That Gaslands film has been widely discredited if I remember correctly.

Like all these things it is not enough to just ban it because the processes used today may not be totally safe. The way to make these things work is to allow companies to research new methods knowing they will be able to make more money. Look how safe the oil drilling industry has become. Had it been banned in the early days whilst people were building wooden dereks and seeing gushers where would we be today?

Allow it, regulate it and encourage safer working and innovation.

Protesting outside the fracking sites and calling for a complete ban is just the idiotic behaviour of either, the usual rent a mob protesters who know nothing about the processes involved, or those concerned with their house prices pretending to care about the environment.
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Old 8th Aug 2016, 15:27   #18 (permalink)
 
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Sorry, your 'memory' isn't correct. 'Widely discredited'? Maybe by the Gas and Oil corporations, but not by anyone else. Watch the doco.

It's a waste of bandwidth asking you to back your comments up against clinical science. Right wingers seem to think that actual proof is debunked by an Oil company pamphlet
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Watched it, have you?

Tbh, I don't really GAF what you do or don't do to your own countries. Or what your offspring have to deal with. I put more fossil fuels back into the grid via solar power than my household uses in electricity and petroleum per annum by a reasonable margin. And I live almost the furthest from the sun in my country.

I guess I'm just lucky.

Do what you want to yourselves. Much like why I have opted out of the US gun law argument, honestly, as long as we (Australians) are doing the right thing I don't really care how much you fk yourselves over. Burn your own offspring , mine are good.

Go for it.

edit: It seems that it's not just the US, but the UK as well. Hoo Ha!

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