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Old 9th Aug 2016, 13:21   #41 (permalink)
 
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Wind power...pah. We live in one of the windiest places in the world (average), have thousands of turbines and even on a day like today, it still only produces 5% of demand.

G. B. National Grid status

Have a look at the French page while you are on the site.

The solution is generation from a multitude of sources. Nuclear (Not financed by the Chinese and French), Solar and wind (local generation), gas and of course, in a place lik ethe UK, we should do more tidal. the problem is the greens who complain about global warming also complain about the loss of habitat etc.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 13:45   #42 (permalink)
 
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What amuses me most is that, as soon as anything happens that doesn't fit their Global Warming mantra (e.g. record cold Winter of 2014 / coldest ever Spring 2015), the Eco-Mentalists just jump on some alternative hysterical mantra aka Climate Change / Localized Cooling to continue their false agenda.

It is all going to be OK on Planet Earth.


BTW: Ever notice how any Eco-Mentalist, when interviewed, invariably ends with "further study in the area is required" = free hand-outs of Govt funds wanted to perpetuate their gravy train.

And who cares if 90-something percent of scientists agree? 99.9% of Scientists used to think the World was flat / germs didn't exist etc etc etc.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 14:06   #43 (permalink)
 
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Wind power is a useful adjunct, but it can only ever be a minority input on the margin.

In the UK the average power factor of a wind turbine is only 0.3, ie it only produces its rated capacity for 30% of the time. Those times seldom co-incide with peak power demand. The big commercial wind farm companies are paid hundreds of millions to turn their turbines off when wind output exceeds demand. Utter madness!

For the baseload, nuclear makes sense. For the normal usage range, ie above baseload, hydro is the way to go in a country like Scotland. Solar can also be a useful adjunct, even in Northerly latitudes, though with obvious and quite severe limitations.

Burning hydrocarbons to make electricity is just lunacy. There are so many useful things we can make with oil and gas molecules that to burn those substances is just insane.

Never forget that oil and gas are just long term stored solar energy. Unlike other forms of stored solar, they are not replaceable though.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 14:25   #44 (permalink)
 
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99.9% of Scientists used to think the World was flat
Bullshit!

Try reading up on Eratosthenes. Try reading the works of Islamic scholars. They too all knew that the Earth was round. It was only the Papist church which contradicted the science and insisted the the universe must revolve around St Peter's Square. That was anti-science, not science.

Sailors have known that the Earth is round for as long as man has been sailing out of sight of land. It's bloody obvious when you see a mountain slowly sinking below the horizon, or rising above it as you approach the coast, that the Earth's surface is an endlessly curving sphere. Same when you see the upper masts of an approaching ship and then see more and more of that ships lower parts as you approach. They knew what they were looking at and they understood it.

The global climate change deniers are as tedious as the Holocaust deniers and the lunar landing deniers and the 9-11 deniers and the Evolution deniers.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 14:35   #45 (permalink)
 
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edit: It seems that it's not just the US, but the UK as well. Hoo Ha!
It appears that Hempy's list of no-nothing "right wingers" keeps growing. Eventually he alone will be right and the population of the entire planet will be wrong.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 15:11   #46 (permalink)
 
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Eventually he alone will be right and the population of the entire planet will be wrong.
Don't worry Ken

its Hempy and you just now.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 15:46   #47 (permalink)
 
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Burning hydrocarbons to make electricity is just lunacy.
Is it really? Have you noticed that the more we burn hydrocarbons, the more we find? Oil reserves are higher now than they were a decade ago, which were higher then than they were the decade before that, which were higher............you get the idea. When the first oil reserves were found and tapped in Pennsylvania around the turn of the previous century, groups have been warning that we're "about to run out." After over a century of "about to run out", we now have enough for a century or two at current growth rates. And all indications are that growth is going to stabilize and perhaps even drop well before then. And if in the next hundred years science comes up with a replacement for oil, the same groups that are now crying about the "lunacy" of burning oil will scream bloody murder about oil's replacement.

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There are so many useful things we can make with oil and gas molecules that to burn those substances is just insane.
You mean things like plastic bags which pollute the land and rivers, and take tens of thousands of years to decompose in landfills? Face reality, there will always be groups opposed to drilling, transporting, burning, and/or using oil for any purpose.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 15:47   #48 (permalink)
 
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Eventually he alone will be right and the population of the entire planet will be wrong.
I'm pretty sure thats exactly what Trump is thinking at the moment as well...

How many terms of office will he serve as president, do you think? Or will he just sort of keep it?

I mean if there's no one left, he's more like Atilla the Hun than future Former US President Trump.
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Bullshit! It was only the Papist church which contradicted the science and insisted the the universe must revolve around St Peter's Square. That was anti-science, not science.
And now C33 is rewriting history. He really knows how to stick true to form.
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......future Former US President Trump........
Now there's some enlightened and critical thinking.............

...not. But it is thinking that is staying true to form
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 16:01   #51 (permalink)
 
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Did not the World end in 2006 as forecast by the Grand Poobah of the Global Warming Crowd....Al Gore?

Dang It Boy....that must mean we have been in the Afterlife for a full Decade now!

Any reason you environmental Dooms Day forecasters wonder why reasonable folk just cannot bring themselves to climb onto your hay wagon?


Al Gore's Doomsday Clock Expires & Climate Change Fanatics Are Wrong Again
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 16:37   #52 (permalink)
 
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I dunno, I just moved to Texas and I'm beginning to believe, No relief in sight 'till October.

After an excellent landing etc...
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Who is trying to "isolate" overall consumption?

We can do nothing about the goverment's sillinesses. What we can do is reduce the damage that we are doing to the planet's atmosphere.

Those of us who produce more domestic energy than we consume are doing the right thing, even though we have to import electricity sometimes from a grid which is partly powered by the idiocy of burning hydrocarbons to make wiggly Amps.

Don't blame us good citizens for government silliness. We are doing a better job of living an ecofriendly lifestyle than any government of Britain ever has.
Who gives you the subsidies to enable you to buy and install all this stuff?
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You're just as eligible for a subsidy as anyone else. If you choose not to take up the offer then that's up to you. Do you think people using solar power etc don't pay taxes?
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You're just as eligible for a subsidy as anyone else. If you choose not to take up the offer then that's up to you. Do you think people using solar power etc don't pay taxes?
Even with subsidies, so called eco technology is way outside the economic reach of the ordinary public. So it ends up with the basic rate taxpayer giving money to the wealthy to buy something they themselves cannot afford.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 18:54   #56 (permalink)
 
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You're just as eligible for a subsidy as anyone else.
Yeah, but the supposed altruism kinda fades when someone else is picking up the bill for the chest puffing self righteousness. To say nothing of the net impact on the planet. Who has the bigger net footprint? The guy with no solar panels or the guy with government paid for solar panels that require a LOT of energy, chemicals, etc etc to fabricate and install in the first place. The self righteous are often anything but righteous. The chest puffing self righteous who put on a public display of their moral superiority are never righteous.
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eco technology is way outside the economic reach of the ordinary public
Untrue.

The Feed in Tariff is bonkers, but it was/is freely available for anyone. Sure, someone who lives in a tower block won't have a roof or garden upon which to mount solar panels, but for anyone who has appropriate property it is not some kind of means tested thing for the rich. You don't even need the capital as there are plenty of companies who do a subsidy-sharing scheme/scam to enable anyone to install a pv or wind or micro-hydro system with only a few hundred Pounds deposit.

The FiT is not a government subsidy. It is paid for by the people who do not take it up, through their electricity bills. That is perhaps unfair on cave dwellers and tower block inhabitants, but nobody said that life is always totally fair.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 20:03   #58 (permalink)
 
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It is a myth that solar panels consume more energy to manufacture than they produce in their working lifetime. That's just bullshit. Same goes for wind turbines.

It's just an urban legend purveyed by the ignorant to the ignorant.
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Old 9th Aug 2016, 20:35   #59 (permalink)
 
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Prove it then.
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It's for the bullshitters to prove their idiotic claims. Not me.

Clearly solar panels would not be made because they would not be sold if the bullshitters' claim was true. Same goes for wind turbines and hydro-electric plant.

Of course these sytems produce more power than they consume or they would never have been made in any quantity.
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