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Old 20th May 2017, 02:18   #8061 (permalink)
 
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... well his presidency is a disaster so far, you should be pleased to have an independent media reporting things as they are
That is the crux of what the bar chart was all about. I claim the news media is not independent as they are creating news rather than reporting facts.

I have no faith in the US news media above for this reason and indeed discard most of their politically motivated negative reporting.
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Old 20th May 2017, 02:38   #8062 (permalink)
 
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In the National Guard, which meant that he was safe from deployment to SE Asia
The National Guard did field operations in Vietnam with range of aircraft types. ANG pilots were awarded 23 Silver Stars, 47 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and 46 Bronze Stars with Combat V for valor in recognition of Vietnam service.
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Someone explain to me why a Harvard Study gets me attacked?

Now I know that is straight out of Saul Alinsky's Rules....but still personal attacks don't change the facts or invalidate the source which in this case is Harvard....not me.

I just posted the Study results that clearly shows a negative bias towards Trump in the Main Stream Media and clearly pointed out where the Chart came from.

Harvard Professors certainly are not right winged individuals.

I suppose the angst is over being shown in technicolor by a trusted source that what some of us have been saying all along is true.

FOX is far more fair and balanced than other Media Outlets.

That the Harvard Study shoots big holes in most of the arguments presented here must really be causing some serious Butt Hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiGsHCpBGg4
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Old 20th May 2017, 02:51   #8064 (permalink)
 
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The National Guard did field operations in Vietnam with range of aircraft types. ANG pilots were awarded 23 Silver Stars, 47 Distinguished Flying Crosses, and 46 Bronze Stars with Combat V for valor in recognition of Vietnam service.
Brian,

I had National Guard Pilots who were assigned to my Unit in Vietnam....and they certainly flew combat missions. They came from several different State Army National Guard Units.

One fellow I grew up with joined the local Army Reserve Medical Evacuation Hospital Unit....and arrived in Chu Lai a Month before I got there. His Unit was activated and shipped directly to Viet Nam while I routed through Army Flight School enroute.

But then....all these knowledgeable folks know so much more than those of us who actually served in the US Military or Allied Units that joined us in that bit of fun and games.
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Old 20th May 2017, 04:25   #8065 (permalink)
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" FOX is far more fair and balanced than other Media Outlets."


Of course it is.....noted for the liberal minded, impartial, factual accuracy content of its broadcasts in fact.....
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Old 20th May 2017, 04:57   #8066 (permalink)
 
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noted for the liberal minded, impartial, factual accuracy content of its broadcasts in fact
Don't tell me, don't tell me - just like the Guardian!!!
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Old 20th May 2017, 05:39   #8067 (permalink)
 
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But over the full course of the election, it was Clinton, not Trump, who was more often the target of negative coverage (see Figure 1). Overall, the coverage of her candidacy was 62 percent negative to 38 percent positive, while his coverage was 56 percent negative to 44 percent positive.
https://shorensteincenter.org/news-c...rumps_Coverage

The quote is from the report at this URL. (part of the Harvard Kennedy School)

Both Clinton and Trump received negative press; Clinton more so than Trump. So it would appear the (less) negative press coverage favoured Trump.

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Old 20th May 2017, 05:41   #8068 (permalink)
 
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Someone explain to me why a Harvard Study gets me attacked?

Now I know that is straight out of Saul Alinsky's Rules....but still personal attacks don't change the facts or invalidate the source which in this case is Harvard....not me.

I just posted the Study results that clearly shows a negative bias towards Trump in the Main Stream Media and clearly pointed out where the Chart came from.

Harvard Professors certainly are not right winged individuals.

I suppose the angst is over being shown in technicolor by a trusted source that what some of us have been saying all along is true.

FOX is far more fair and balanced than other Media Outlets.

That the Harvard Study shoots big holes in most of the arguments presented here must really be causing some serious Butt Hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiGsHCpBGg4
There's a very good reason why the 'tone of negativity' is 'bad'. It's not because the worlds largest conspiracy is underway.

It's because it's bad.

It's getting to the point where even the most hardened conspiracy theorists are seeing the light. I'm glad that you prefer Fox News, here is a fair and balanced commentary on Trump


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Old 20th May 2017, 06:31   #8069 (permalink)
 
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Someone explain to me why a Harvard Study gets me attacked?

Now I know that is straight out of Saul Alinsky's Rules....but still personal attacks don't change the facts or invalidate the source which in this case is Harvard....not me.

I just posted the Study results that clearly shows a negative bias towards Trump in the Main Stream Media and clearly pointed out where the Chart came from.

Harvard Professors certainly are not right winged individuals.

I suppose the angst is over being shown in technicolor by a trusted source that what some of us have been saying all along is true.

FOX is far more fair and balanced than other Media Outlets.

That the Harvard Study shoots big holes in most of the arguments presented here must really be causing some serious Butt Hurt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jiGsHCpBGg4
Erm no, the study doesn't say anything about bias. As the title in nice big letters in your chart shows, it reports tone. I assume you know the difference?

Bias means deliberately skewing a story to suit an agenda. Tone means something significantly different, which is just the general tilt of stories, and shifts from time to time depending on where the stories are. A negative tone will occur, even with a positive bias, if all the stories are in fact negative and there's just not much you can do about it.

Look, you think Hilary is guilty without ever being charged. You also think Trump is innocent until the day he is sentenced without appeal for life, and how dare anyone suggest otherwise.

I suggest, perhaps and with respect, you are too emotionally invested in a guy who is using you for his own ends, which mostly seem to be doing seedy business in Russia. Is that really what you want for your country? I know you will say you don't care, but do you want to be those guys? I respectfully suggest your media is reflecting what has become obvious to the world which is that the guy is not a president. And I really hope you will still be here when the impeachment and probable removal from office happens. it has reached the point I'm almost certain it will happen, and I will have respect for you if so.
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Old 20th May 2017, 07:30   #8070 (permalink)
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seem to be doing seedy business in Russia.
Definitely going to need solid evidence of that!
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Old 20th May 2017, 08:54   #8071 (permalink)
 
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After reading the last couple of pages I was going to say something VERY similar to this..
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Erm no, the study doesn't say anything about bias. As the title in nice big letters in your chart shows, it reports tone. I assume you know the difference?

Bias means deliberately skewing a story to suit an agenda. Tone means something significantly different, which is just the general tilt of stories, and shifts from time to time depending on where the stories are. A negative tone will occur, even with a positive bias, if all the stories are in fact negative and there's just not much you can do about it.

Look, you think Hilary is guilty without ever being charged. You also think Trump is innocent until the day he is sentenced without appeal for life, and how dare anyone suggest otherwise.
Which is the best summation so far, SAS try again...
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Old 20th May 2017, 09:29   #8072 (permalink)
 
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Yep - very important distinction - tone is very different from bias.
Most media monitoring services will provide you with breakdown of tone - very important from a spin doctors point of view.
If it's red - you've got some work to do!
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Old 20th May 2017, 09:34   #8073 (permalink)
 
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It is all a great plot. Trump will hang on for a couple of more months before Pence takes over and appoints Kushner as his VP. So Trump can concentrate again even more on golfing, watching TV and eating steaks based in his golden tower in NY while Kushner takes care of the interests of the US millionairs and billionairs from the White House.
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Old 20th May 2017, 12:58   #8074 (permalink)
 
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Yep - very important distinction - tone is very different from bias.
Most media monitoring services will provide you with breakdown of tone - very important from a spin doctors point of view.
If it's red - you've got some work to do!
Bias determines what gets reported AND determines the Tone.

Bias also determines what does not get reported....which also affects Tone.

The two are not mutually exclusive as one provides the other.

Look back at the Nomination and Confirmation of Justice Gorsuch for an example of this.

What was the media treatment of that story....on an appointment that affects the country for thirty years or so?

Did they merely report dull boring Facts or did they offer up opinions in their reporting of the "news"?

News and Opinion shoul be separate articles and opinion clearly stated as being such.

Consider Media and Congress share the disapproval of the People in almost equal rankings that are about one third of Trump's approval rating.

For those who view color as being the key.....85% Red means the same here as you suggest in that graphic You take such exception to seeing posted.
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Old 20th May 2017, 13:18   #8075 (permalink)
 
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Erm no, the study doesn't say anything about bias. As the title in nice big letters in your chart shows, it reports tone. I assume you know the difference?
But surely its your particular bias that sets the tone?. For example CNN are part of Time Warner who were one of Clintons top 10 campaign contributors, so they are biased in favour of Clinton which is bound to set the tone of their coverage.
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Old 20th May 2017, 14:12   #8076 (permalink)
 
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When your best buddy is hooked on drugs or booze he may not want to stop, but any worthwhile friend still does his best to talk him around.

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Right, understood. We took care off that Nov 8, 2016. We went 'cold turkey' and by Jan 21st, we were finally straightened out, and on the track to keep clean. So far, so good. Thanks for caring.
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On the media bias front, it's one of those pernicious, yet easy to conceal things. The use of adverbs, I mentioned before in a string of articles in a source is a good clue. Words like today's 'bombshell':









Bombshell revelations in Trump-Russia inquiry


Try to inject a sense of doom and fatality into a meeting and discussion that just wasn't there. The two leaders talked about important things, it wasn't saturday tea, but it would be normal that these talks would contain critical political, cultural, and yes, even possibly military, and terror related subjects. If you want to have a intl conference with one of your major super powers, might as well make it productive. So, what's this 'bombshell'? Trump said something about firing Comey, calling him a 'nut job'. Here's how they worded it: "...delivered a one-two punch to the Trump White House". See how the media is trying to use metaphors to advance a method to destroy the Trump admin?

I'm sure that most of the libs and alt-left people who read this consider it just another normal, and even middle of the road kind of report. Anything Trump does, or says is fodder for the 'bombshell', providing the world with a 'one-two punch'. So, there is no one so blind as those who will not see.

If you think this reporting is not biased, I have a job for you. Go back and read some of the historical papers from the 50s, and even the 40s. Just get a tenor of the reporting, and the writing from back then, no matter which political subject you choose. Read some of that and then come back and read some current trash from CNN, ABC, MSNBC, or other feeds to yahoo.


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CNN, ABC, MSNBC etc etc. As far as I know, none of these are linked to Twitter feeds coming from the President. And it is these Twitter feeds that are driving people more and more to the conclusion that Trump has lost the plot! I suspect he will eventually Tweet himself out of a job!
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CNN, ABC, MSNBC etc etc. As far as I know, none of these are linked to Twitter feeds coming from the President. And it is these Twitter feeds that are driving people more and more to the conclusion that Trump has lost the plot! I suspect he will eventually Tweet himself out of a job!

Exactly. It's why I'm basing my views on what the President is tweeting himself, that's more than enough to show contradictions, policy U turns and what seems to be a pretty thin skin.
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The Tweets drive the Media to distraction because Trump goes directly to the People without the media getting to control the narrative.

Granted some of the Tweets would best be un-sent....but in general they very much serve a positive purpose When done correctly.

The question is whether Trump becomes more judicious in those Tweets ... or not!

Trump has trolled the Media so many times.....and like starving Trout they fall for the bait without fail. But like fishing....sometimes you goof up a cast and get a backlash!
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