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Old 16th Jun 2014, 21:57   #81 (permalink)
 
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Not exactly Independence tho is it........................
Lol, well it has been said before seldom, perhaps even by you I don't know, "what does independence actually mean in today's globally, interconnected world"? Look at the UK with all it's interdependencies, membership communities etc - not truly independent either. I guess it means different things to different people.
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I can see why the Quebecs say that, but the devolution vote was decided on years ago so the "threat of leaving" has always been there.

It's up to how you negotiate afterwards.
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There is a lot of truth in that article Perthsaint. Look how much Devolution caught the westminster elite napping - they were simply ignorant of the political mood in Scotland. 10 years down the line - meet the new boss same as the old boss. Appears to me the only time they get interested is when the reality hits them and delivers a sharp bite to the arse. Case in point are the bribes we are seeing now being offered for a No vote. What Damascene conversion brought about that? Does anybody seriously think these would have been forthcoming without our present consideration. The Conservative party and to a lesser degree the UK Labour party were both violently opposed to devolution - now they fall over themselves with bribes. Don't expect your post nor mine to resonate with the majority here, but then again you already understand that don't you?

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Loud and clear, Tom, loud and clear
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Thought you didn't like outsiders telling you what's good for you
We don't.
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Seldom,

Just out of interest and for balance what are your thoughts on the merits of a written constitution - leaving aside the SNP's proposals at the moment?

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Well, this thread has survived a whole day (almost) without being pulled. Must be some kind of record - in the hope it may still be here tomorrow I'll say goodnight folks.

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I can see why this is the kind of external advice that is acceptable Seldom - the scots brawn does not apply here

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"In the same way I am convinced that the strength of the Scottish indy movement is the key determinant of Scotland's bargaining power with London. The fact that there is a strong indy movement gives you the strength to protect your interests, to get the better deal from London."

"So my advice to Scots would be: don't miss your chance. The big advantage that Scotland has is its natural resources, its oil, its financial sector. You can manage, you can do it."
What does a better deal from London mean - better than for anyone else in the UK? Why do Scots deserve better - not the same - as other parts of the UK? Where does this sense of extra entitlement come from? Is it really fair?

Don't 'bank' on the financial sector & its thousands of jobs staying if its Yes.
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So long as its what you want to hear eh





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Seldom,

Just out of interest and for balance what are your thoughts on the merits of a written constitution - leaving aside the SNP's proposals at the moment?

Tom

It's a perfectly acceptable thing to publish however its contents will generally only ever reflect what the author thinks the reader will want to read, in other words its nowt but politics IMHO.


Just read this


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotlan...itics-26716432


which throws a bit of light on it and why UK don't have one.
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The Quebec article forgot to mention that the PQ got tossed out on their 'arris very conclusively and that their supposed popularity nosedived when one of their members started fist pumping and publically talking independence and referendums. This happened in 2 months ago, not almost 20 years ago.

The Quebec majority know where their bread is buttered.
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There is one thing that is guaranteed post the Sep vote


Scottish independence leaves families split and rowing at dinner table | Mail Online
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Funny, I thought the good people of the rUK didn't want a currency union

BBC News - Scottish independence: Scots and English 'willing to share institutions'
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...I thought the good people of the rUK didn't want a currency union
You need to read that article. Before thinking about it most didn't mind. After they'd thought about it (i.e. the politicians had said it wasn't a good idea and got them thinking about it) they did start to mind. Of course Scotland can use the GBP, the same way that Panama uses the USD (and that is probably what that 70% referred to in that article were thinking). But have a say in the Bank of England? No. Cut yourselves of and you are cut off.

But as I've said before, your new currency will decline in value due to the socialist policies that are likely north of the border; that will mean cheaper holidays in Scotland and cheaper whisky from Scotland. Yippee!!!!

The 'Matt' cartoon sums up the Scot Nats perfectly!!!
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Funny, I thought the good people of the rUK didn't want a currency union

BBC News - Scottish independence: Scots and English 'willing to share institutions'
Thought you didn't like outsiders telling you what's best for you

Trouble is that it's these guys that get make the decisions

BBC News - Scottish independence: Osborne tells MPs currency union has been 'ruled out'

But to expand on your logic according to this

BBC News - Vote 2014 Election News and Results

where each of the polls show that the good people of Scotland don't want independence perhaps you tell Alex to pack his bags now and do one
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Funny, I thought the good people of the rUK didn't want a currency union

BBC News - Scottish independence: Scots and English 'willing to share institutions'
Every time I have discussed this with those not living in Scotland they often tended to say yes to Scotland using the pound. However, when the subject is taken further they either say "but not as part of a currency union" or "what do you mean by a currency union?" The second group, those that are lesser informed by the debate due to it not given as much coverage where they live, then look at me in horror when I explain what currency union is, how it would work and what it would actually mean to those in rUK if things went wrong, and then quickly change their minds with answers ranging from a straight "yes" to either "yes, but on their own without a currency union" to the other extreme I have witnessed of "no f'ing way!"

So, it all depends on who you ask, what they know of what they are being asked and was the intent of the question clearly explained to them.
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So, it all depends on who you ask.
Or in Ps's case it all depends on what you want to hear
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