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Old 24th Dec 2012, 14:40   #21 (permalink)
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Which means considerably more than 310 million Americans are happy for him to stay & I am content for them to have him, the oleaginous, unctuous tw@t.
You obviously know nothing about petitions.

His ratings are lower than Matthews', and that is saying something...
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I obviously don't.

I'm comfortable with that.
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The measure of the republic is how we tolerate a nimrod (person not plane) like him, so let him stay assuming he's paying taxes. He'll alienate himself to the point of becoming irrelevant.
I do enjoy watching the cousins invoke the name of irony when the attempt at humor or rational thought falls short of the mark. Slap the title irony on it and all is well.
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Old 24th Dec 2012, 17:39   #24 (permalink)
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It's ironic, as was said above, that irony should be misused so much.


Also, what about coppery, or silvery, don't they count anymore?

Won't mention, Tinny.


Piers is entitled to his opinion, but the rudeness of the delivery was not really acceptable.
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Piers is entitled to his opinion, but the rudeness of the delivery was not really acceptable.
Then he's done what he intended, he's gotten a larger audience that is happily giving him all the publicity he needs.

If they had ignored him, he would have gone away...........
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A contract with CNN ensures he doesn't go away.
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I suspect a Contract with CNN is about as valuable as a ticket on the Titanic.
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Old 24th Dec 2012, 18:15   #28 (permalink)
 
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Perhaps, but as you and I are two of only about 27 people in the entire state of California who pay taxes, we probably need him to keep his day job or we'll have to cover his share as well.
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Old 24th Dec 2012, 18:20   #29 (permalink)
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Am I alone in wondering what part of the second amendment is authority for every American to arm themselves for protection from each other? I understood it as a call for Americans to arm themselves against external aggression. A bit like the old English law requiring all yeomen to equip themselves with longbows. Since the amendment was included, America has acquired a well armed federal army, navy and air force, rendering the amendment obsolete.
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Indeed West Coast. Indeed
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I do enjoy watching the cousins invoke the name of irony when the attempt at humor or rational thought falls short of the mark. Slap the title irony on it and all is well.
i suppose if it were intended as humour that comment might have some merit. However, the irony of which I speak has passed you by at FL350. You only serve to reinforce my opinion.

Blacksheep, if the NRA are to be believed, then democracy can only be assured by a population packing high powered handguns and assault weapons.
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Old 24th Dec 2012, 19:00   #32 (permalink)

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Am I alone in wondering what part of the second amendment is authority for every American to arm themselves for protection from each other? I understood it as a call for Americans to arm themselves against external aggression. A bit like the old English law requiring all yeomen to equip themselves with longbows. Since the amendment was included, America has acquired a well armed federal army, navy and air force, rendering the amendment obsolete.
Sigh, if you would read the Federalist Papers, it would be clear to you that the intent of the Second Amendment is there for Americans to arm themselves against external and internal aggression.

This was explained over and over again in the now closed thread.
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Sigh, if you would read the Federalist Papers, it would be clear to you that the intent of the Second Amendment is there for Americans to arm themselves against external and internal aggression.
Pardon my ignorance, but you have the most powerful military in the world, which rather takes care of the external aggression; then you have the National Guard which meets the "well regulated militia" requirement. I can't quite fathom the *need* to own assault weapons by civilians.

I also can't quite fathom the NRA stance that gun laws don't work, not even registration, but register all the mentally ill will somehow stop mass killings. Curious logic, but if you chaps feel that shooting your own children is an acceptable way of living who are we to argue?
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There is an over abundance of ignorance concerning the 2nd Amendment, and its especially irritating when a foreigner comes to America, complains, and wants to change America into where they came from.

Chicago has some of the most draconian gun laws, and yet they have record crime. How is that working? Obesity must be the result of too many spoons, so let's ban spoons.

Oh-oh there's an "assault rifle" in almost every closet in Switzerland. They must have a very high crime rate. No? Perhaps its the public mindset and not guns?

Does anyone remember the L.A. riots? The only stores not vandalized were the ones being protected by armed owners. The Founding Fathers got it right.

There are sheep, wolves and sheepdogs in this world. Take your pick and take your chances.

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And that is the reason we don't want him back. If you're dwelling on misunderstandings between foreigners, you should understand that Piers Morgan is widely regarded in the UK as a 24 carat, copper bottomed tosser. He's all yours.
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There's a fundamental difference between gun control and gun laws. The terms aren't interchangeable. There are countless gun laws in place. Without a doubt there were laws broken in the Sandyhook shooting, apparently the shooter didn't care to study them or didn't give a flip if he did. More laws are the last thing we need to solve the issue.

Feel free to reel your neck in, murder on a grand scale has visited euroland on a grand scale, in regular intervals as well, from Srebrenica to Dunblane to Erfurt to Oslo/youth camp.

We have a problem, Sandyhook will hopefully cause us to address it. Only the naive believe a few more laws on the books will solve it.
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But many of we foreign types wonder why the preponderance of "wolves" over there that requires armed "sheep" in addition to "sheepdogs"?
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Old 24th Dec 2012, 22:01   #38 (permalink)
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Am I alone in wondering what part of the second amendment is authority for every American to arm themselves for protection from each other? I understood it as a call for Americans to arm themselves against external aggression. A bit like the old English law requiring all yeomen to equip themselves with longbows. Since the amendment was included, America has acquired a well armed federal army, navy and air force, rendering the amendment obsolete.
The Second amendment states that the government has no authority to prohibit the people from bearing arms. The have an inalienable right to bear arms and government is limited in its ability to interfere. The entire Constitution spells out what the government must do and what the government is prohibited from doing. It does not grant any rights to anyone. It ensures that the inalienable rights are preserved.
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Old 24th Dec 2012, 22:10   #39 (permalink)
 
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Blacksheep,

Why the code words (wolves?)? Is this some more of that irony thing that many of ya'll wouldn't know if it bit you on the leg?

I'll guess what you are trying to say is, 'why is the level of violence so high that many Americans feel compelled to own guns for protection?'

Well, it is complicated. Let me illustrate by example.

I lived in the Netherlands for a few years. Violence was so bad at football matches, they would often hold games in empty stadiums...for fear of murderous fans. I was once on a train from Liverpool to London, and afraid for my family when gangs of drunk hooligans came onboard, harassing the good people and threatening all with beatings.

New Years eve bonfires in Den Haag are so violent that police would cede control of the neighborhoods to gangs. They may not have been armed with guns (probably many were), but they were armed with fire, stones, and bad intent.

Knife violence in the UK is so bad that ya'll can't even carry a penknife, but knifings are still all too common. The Parisian banlieus are no place for single women, and rampaging 'youths' are just an accepted cultural norm.

Get the picture? Smug Europe likes to pose as somehow more cultured and sophisticated than the rest of the world (especially its old bugaboo the US), but the pathologies of cultural breakdown spare no continent. More laws don't help. Accountability, work ethic, marriage, self discipline, families...these things are much more effective than laws in changing behavior.

Europe's fatherless families, lawless young men, crime-ridden government supported housing are just as pathological as the loner in a US gun spree. They are each tragic, and symptomatic of much larger problems that gift giving (and taking) politicians are loathe to address.

Meanwhile, lawful Americans go on picnics, tell jokes, raise fine families, give to charity, take families to football games, and either choose to own guns or not. I don't own a handgun, don't feel the need. My sporting shotgun stays safely in my home. I like it this way, and it is my choice.
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West Coast - as the PPRuNe man on the spot, would it be possible for you to give us a comparison between the gun situation in California, always the leading state, and that in the rest of the US of A?
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