PPRuNe Forums

Go Back   PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Forgotten your Username/Password?

Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 15th Nov 2012, 17:07   #1 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: London
Posts: 1,237
How to stay warm?

Do you live in a cold country. Please help!

This is a question about coats more than central heating and insulation.

As I get older, I seem to feel the cold more. The old solutions of lined Barbour and/or sheepskin coat just don't cut it for me anymore. I've given both to our local charity shop. (Before I did that I looked up the price of a new Barbour. They must be joking. They want nearly 300 Brit pounds for a bit of waxed cotton, a lining and a hood !!)

Back to the question. Some folk reading this must live in cold places, like Canada, or the cold bits of USA, or the cold bits of Central Europe. .

What is the best long waterproof coat to help me stay warm in the Winter, and which doesn't cost an arm and a leg? I google for the answers, and find lots of big brands that cost a fortune. I do not want to buy a brand to make some fat manager rich, I want to buy a warm coat that works.

I know that staying inside is one solution, or only running when I go outside, but they're not the answers I'm after.....
Ancient Observer is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 17:11   #2 (permalink)

More than just an ATCO
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Netherlands
Age: 65
Posts: 1,717
Cuddling up next to a warm woman would be choice number 1
Alternatively, try a Snuggie®



You can even get them for two.


Last edited by Lon More; 15th Nov 2012 at 17:17.
Lon More is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 17:22   #3 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canada
Age: 51
Posts: 2,053
It's supply and demand I'm afraid. I have boots for -50 (Kamik) and a top quality jacket (Columbia) for a total of £130, bought in a discount store in Winterpeg, Manisnowba. I've never seen anything good in the UK for less than the prices you are quoting.

The top notch stuff is worth the money.

Try finding some serious climbers and ask them. There's probably a discount place run out of an old steam engine shed in Lancashire that does good stuff cheap. They'll know about it.

The Alpine Club in Shoreditch may be able to help, or the London Mountaineering club. You might try a Mountain Rescue Team if you can get a contact.

Failing that, try to get a contact with someone who lives over here and is coming over there. There is an outside chance I'll be doing this in a fortnight. PM me on Thursday 22nd if you've no luck by then.

Last edited by Fox3WheresMyBanana; 15th Nov 2012 at 17:25.
Fox3WheresMyBanana is online now   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 17:34   #4 (permalink)
More bang for your buck
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: land of the clanger
Age: 72
Posts: 3,520
Try thermal underwear.

Last edited by green granite; 15th Nov 2012 at 17:35.
green granite is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 17:38   #5 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia - South of where I'd like to be !
Age: 49
Posts: 4,086
AO
Have a look at the Ridgeline range in the UK.
They are cheap over here in Aus.

or try buying on line from the US, especially at the end of winter season
sales in the US from places like Cabelas.

Also, I actually prefer wearing a thermal or something close to the body
and a less bulky coat - as long as the coat keeps out 100% of the wind
and rain. I find that always keeps me warmer than a big bulky coat.
500N is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 17:47   #6 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Feb 2000
Location: HON121º/14 NM
Posts: 658
I can personally recommend one of these

Buffalo Mountain Jacket - Windstopper Pertex 6 outer & Aquatherm Pile Lining

I have used one for many years for all sorts of activities from travelling around Antarctica on a skidoo, walking in the hills in the UK, working on a farm and standing around in cold and rain watching sport, and it is one of the best jackets I have ever owned.

The other favourite of mine is a tweed shooting coat (which is getting a bit tight around my middle). Barbour make some, and there are many other brands around at a variety of prices from about £150 upwards to about £600. The cheaper ones don't have quite such good 'lagging' for want of a better word, but if teamed up with a fleece gillet should keep most weather and damp low temperatures out, and tweed only really improves with age (until it shrinks in the middle like mine has ). Without knowing your style a bit better it is hard to advise you further.

A good old British Warm coat covers most occasions other than labouring and gardening.

Waxed cotton Barbours are generally very bad at keeping the cold off, and collect condensation on the inside if you are doing any sort of exercise, but are ace at keeping the rain off (hence their propensity to collect moisture from within).

For outdoor sports (walking and rambling type gear) try Go Outdoors for a combination of range and price GO Outdoors | Mens Waterproof Jackets | Mens Winter Coats or Decathlon : Selling sporting goods, sportswear and shoes. Buy online and in...

Keep warm, and enjoy the winter. Being cold is (partly) a state of mind. You may not believe me: I won't mind!
Firestorm is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 17:53   #7 (permalink)
Resident insomniac
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: N54 58 34 W02 01 21
Age: 70
Posts: 1,408
For really warm, try a ski-suit.

Such things were available cheap in supermarkets in Denmark and worked a treat.

Seem to be available for reasonable money online here.


Ooops, sorry, they are children's sizes!


Why is adult-size ski-clothing so expensive?

It's cheap as chips in Scandinavia (if you buy from the supermarkets).


.

Last edited by G-CPTN; 15th Nov 2012 at 18:05.
G-CPTN is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 18:03   #8 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: on the beach
Posts: 358
Using many layers of thin lightweight clothing is supposed to provide better insulation. If this is aertex it entraps thermally insulating air without any great mass penalty.

Reduction of heat loss due to breathing may also assist. Inbound and outbound breath should pass through a counterflow heat exchanger of adequate thermal capacity.

Energy loss in excreted methane may be recovered using an in-body thermal catalyst.

In extreme cases of hypothermia whole-body spontaneous combusion is effective for periods up to 48 hours.


ps - the us mash style parka i bought in our local market for 25 quid is ruddy marvellous and i wear it over a hoodie top. similar to pic.

Last edited by mike-wsm; 15th Nov 2012 at 18:40.
mike-wsm is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 18:04   #9 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canada
Age: 51
Posts: 2,053
Could I also suggest that you sort out the boots, gloves and hat before the jacket. You may be surprised how much difference these can make.

I still have my aircrew cut-down bunny suit (aka woolly bear) - very effective.

The Canadian joke about how many layers is..Pat yourself down. If you can still tell what gender you are, you don't have enough layers!

Last edited by Fox3WheresMyBanana; 15th Nov 2012 at 18:06.
Fox3WheresMyBanana is online now   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 18:05   #10 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: UK
Age: 54
Posts: 32
I'd second 500N's recommendation of Cabela's jackets from the USA (there's an online sale at the moment) + check ebay for them as well. Some even have goose down hoods.

Better than thermal underwear is the diver's 'woolly bear' thermal undersuit, comfy and can be worn under outer clothing + thin waterproof jacket. The type with a zip that opens from both ends is recommended!

Quote:
Reduction of heat loss due to breathing may also assist. Inbound and outbound breath should pass through a counterflow heat exchanger of adequate thermal capacity.
You've actually got a point there mike wsm, use the nose rather than the mouth, it reduces loss of moisture as well, in hot or cold.

Last edited by Little cloud; 15th Nov 2012 at 18:08.
Little cloud is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 18:19   #11 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia - South of where I'd like to be !
Age: 49
Posts: 4,086
Agree re the comments re Hat, Gloves, Boots.

Especially hat and gloves.

Amazing what a warm woolly beanie does to keeping you warm.
500N is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 18:28   #12 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Darkest Surrey
Posts: 3,640
A friend says they buy lots of stuff from this lot and claim its good
Sierra Trading Post United Kingdom -We Ship to the United Kingdom - They ship from US and clearly have got enough UK busines to branch off the website for shipping.
I've not used but they supposed to be good.

In my younger days when doing lots of winter walking the key message the walking and climbing mags were saying was build up the layers (as already stated earlier). At least then when get too warm can take layers off. Must admit when finally bought into the idea how right it was.

Man made fibers were always recommended for Base layers as wick any moisture away.

I have acquired various long johns over the last number of years and now ensure the car has a set and some winter gear included just in case of bad weather.

Found out at fireworks display a couple of weeks ago that longjohns were excellent in keeping me warm on a cold night and when came back in I was very comfortable for the evening in them.

SWMBO buts stuff from Aldi / Lidl when on sale for the kids and occasionally for me and must admit that some of their gear is of a pretty decent standard.........well it has kept me warm anyway.
racedo is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 18:33   #13 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Darkest Surrey
Posts: 3,640
Quote:
Agree re the comments re Hat, Gloves, Boots.

Especially hat and gloves.

Amazing what a warm woolly beanie does to keeping you warm.
Stood at a cold bus stop in London last year with a stupid hat on, stupid but warm

2 teenagers came along and they really taking the Piss out of the hat, after 15 minutes of waiting they cold enough to start asking where it was from.

Stupid looking and warm beats Cool looking and freezing every time.
racedo is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 18:44   #14 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia - South of where I'd like to be !
Age: 49
Posts: 4,086
Racedo
Your "standing still" comment made me think.


AO

I am a pretty warm blooded person, hands always warm
(ladies love it in winter ) but I still remember being cold
going to school in the UK until I started to learn to keep warm.

But the main place I learn't about keeping warm was with / during
SF training, specifically Water ops which meant we spent many many
hours riding around in Inflatable Zodiacs in the middle of what we call
Bass Strait in the middle of winter !!!

No room to move, often wet through by the end but by dressing
in layers and with wicking material close to the body plus keeping
the wind out, I was always warm (and so were those soldiers who
listened to me !).

So even if you are not moving and wet, you can still keep warm.


My suggestion
- layer of wicking material from either of the suggestions above)
close to the body.
- more layers
- thinner outer coat that keeps the wind and rain out / off.
- or ski type down coat
- a warm hat, gloves (and boots).


I have a Barbour and as said, good for the rain but not good at keeping warm !
500N is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 18:54   #15 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Somewhere between E17487 and F75775
Posts: 672
To get back to our new ceilings - we have a surplus roll 10 metres long of the multilayer insulation seen here last week on the bedroom ceiling (the silvery stuff, not the wood !) and I thought of sewing it into the roller blinds to reduce thermal loss through the windows. But of course a friendly seamstress could always cut patterns and sew it into jackets, trousers etc. And for those fearing alien abductions it could be affixed into a cap or hat - five layers of metal foil, no less.

OFSO is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 18:55   #16 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Canada
Age: 51
Posts: 2,053
re Racedo's post. They sell the jacket I have, Item #4525Vfor C$147. This is pretty close to what I paid for it. It's an excellent jacket. Works for me down to -30. You will need only a T-shirt under it if it is higher than -5.

They also sell the Kamik boots. These are only -40, but the -50s would be too much insulation for the UK. They slip on easily - you don't have to do the laces up tight umless you are walking over a mile. Item #2649T
Fox3WheresMyBanana is online now   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 19:31   #17 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: The 3 Valleys
Posts: 181
Moving air and moisture are the most efficient ways of transferring heat i.e. making you cold.

To avoid this wear a cheap beathable jacket made from (say) Sympatex, cheaper than Gore-tex, which stops wind and breathes.

Under this wear a couple of suitably sized fleeces which are neither bulky nor heavy but pretty warm.

A fleece hat and a wool scarf complete the upper body. Gloves or mittens once again with a man-made filling like Hollofill or similar will keep your hands warm - even more so if you warm them before leaving the house .

Footwear is important and there are shoes/boots which have an insulating layer between the inner and outer - save a lot of heat-loss. I've seen them advertised in British publications saying "excellent for market-traders" so maybe that will give you a lead.

Counter-productive to talk to climbers and the like - they are looking for things like taped-seams which are necessary bivouacking on a ledge, but not for staying on the streets.

The only small weak point in the above is the tips of the gloves as I have not yet found a glove where the insulation is wrapped around the finger-tip: manufacturing methods dictate that the fingers are in two or four pieces which come together at the tip which has to be devoid of insulant. That really is however the last percent.
AlpineSkier is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 19:35   #18 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: gone surfin'
Age: 49
Posts: 2,140
I remember studying some literature about the ageing process, many years ago that suggested sex between elderly couples helps preserve heat, (something about reducing total surface area or some'at.)

Thought I knew everything about keeping walm, until I had a weekend in Prague.

Tips from a spring time surfer:-don't get cold in the first place, try and spend as much time behind glass as possible, beware the "wind chill," - lots of layers, sealled in by a decent breathable waterproof. Wear a hat at all times, hot drinks (not booze) and if your partner thinks that your nose or belly feels cold, then it's likely your core temperature is cold and your' fecked.

I'm sure there's more sensible advice here though http://www.ageuk.org.uk/documents/en....pdf?dtrk=true
gingernut is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 19:37   #19 (permalink)

Avoid imitations
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Wandering in hyperspace and the FIR
Posts: 9,065
Check out the Craghoppers' Kiwi jacket with a built in, concealable hood. I have an older version and it's probably the warmest winter coat I've owned. Draw-cords at the waist and the bottom seam help keep the wind out.

Another tip is to wear a fleece neck warmer; if you find a longer version you can tuck the lower half in your coat and pull the top over a woolly hat, which insulates the gap between the top of your coat and headgear. Brilliant piece of kit for driving an open top car in the coldest of weather (one day maybe I'll be able to afford a car with a roof).

Last edited by ShyTorque; 15th Nov 2012 at 19:47.
ShyTorque is offline   Reply
Old 15th Nov 2012, 19:39   #20 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Australia - South of where I'd like to be !
Age: 49
Posts: 4,086
Alpine Skier

re gloves, try the Glo Mitts.

Warm plus allow easy access to fingers if required.


Here are a few pictures. I use camouflage Glo Mitts made from
Thinsulate, you can get Black one's in them as well.

https://www.google.com.au/search?q=G...w=1268&bih=652
500N is offline   Reply
Reply
 
 
 


Thread Tools


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT. The time now is 12:19.


vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
© 1996-2012 The Professional Pilots Rumour Network