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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 12:08   #1 (permalink)
 
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Aid for North Korea

Citing the recent flooding, the dictatorship has asked the international community for food aid.

BBC News - UN: North Korea seeks immediate food aid after floods

Is this the real reason, or are its policies to blame for not being able to provide for its population?

Half of me thinks that we should withhold aid in the hope that internal unrest brings the odious regime down, but this would probably lead to the deaths of large swathes of the already impoverished population, while Kim and his cronies survived.

If aid is given, it should be distributed in such a way that the NK people are made fully aware of who is providing it, the capitalist running dogs they have been brainwashed into believing are the font of all evil.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 12:36   #2 (permalink)
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I could be wrong, it has been known! I get the impression that there is just the very first signs of a thaw with North Korea, this new leader, bringing his new bride into the public eye, it might just be the very beginning of the NKs seeing the light and accepting that they would be better off if they followed some of the examples offered by the West. For the sake of the starving let's hope so.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 12:54   #3 (permalink)
 
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I think that we should be giving food and other emergency aid to North Korea at this very difficult time for them. Otherwise it will be the peasants that do all the suffering as always in the past. Their new leadership may be waking up to the fact that a nation of only 24 million people cannot possibly operate alone in the modern world. Particularly with sanctions from almost everyone else except China.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 13:23   #4 (permalink)
 
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They have in the past been given food aid. (This despite their last two "dear" leaders having not shown any personal signs of malnutrition.)

However, I believe the US stopped food aid supplies when they discovered that removing the "USA" stamping from the rice bags was more important than getting the rice to the starving(?) population. In addition, there were rumours that the North Korean army was being supplied the donated food on a priority basis.

North Korea is much like China was: a mad communist dictator (in the case of China it was Mao Tse Tung) in charge who has no problems with starving his own people. (Mao successfully starved some 30 million of his people during the sadistically named "Great Leap Forward". Right up there with Hitler and Stalin.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 13:37   #5 (permalink)
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I think we should be very generous and send them a couple of buckets of sunshine.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 13:38   #6 (permalink)
 
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I agree with your views, Victor Inox.

Just so sad that the nations that are prepared to supply North Korea with nuclear technology etc are so slow to come forward with flood aid.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 19:24   #7 (permalink)
 
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Maybe they can order some Kan Pao (number 7) chicken for 24 million.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 19:54   #8 (permalink)

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Fcuk North Korea. Let the regime die.

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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 20:03   #9 (permalink)

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However, I believe the US stopped food aid supplies when they discovered that removing the "USA" stamping from the rice bags was more important than getting the rice to the starving(?) population


Sigh, nice try, but no. Food aid supplies were suspended when North Korea broke their word about the missile tests. Had nothing to do with your pub rumour talk looking for things to bash the US about.

It is not because of the United States that people are starving to death in North Korea, it is the fault of the North Korean Government.

Perhaps with this new request for food aid coupled with the latest Dear Leader's marriage, there may be some softening in Pyongyang's attitude toward the west and its own people. We can only hope so.

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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 20:08   #10 (permalink)
 
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Well I walked through Wigan town centre thia afternoon with my collection tin shouting loudly "Any for Korea", but the sum proceeds was nowt, nill, zilch.

Perhaps it was the way I shouted (sounded like Any f**ker here ???).

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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 20:25   #11 (permalink)
 
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Had nothing to do with your pub rumour talk looking for things to bash the US about.
Con-pilot. I was not bashing the US. If you have nothing else to spew out than (false) accusation, I suggest you shut the f"ck up.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 20:45   #12 (permalink)

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Con-pilot. I was not bashing the US. If you have nothing else to spew out than (false) accusation, I suggest you shut the f"ck up.
Oh boy, oh boy, an internet tough guy.

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removing the "USA" stamping from the rice bags was more important than getting the rice to the starving(?) population
Okay, if not a sniping, insulting comment that could certainly be taken as a bash, just what is the meaning of the wording of that comment of your?

You are saying that because of national pride, the US is allowing people to starve to death. A statement that is not true. Therefore, why did you post that if not to demean the US?

You give me a good explanation and not only will I retract my post, I will also apologize.

Back in your court.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 20:53   #13 (permalink)
 
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Con-pilot. I was not bashing the US. If you have nothing else to spew out than (false) accusation, I suggest you shut the f"ck up.
Unfortunately, even Al-Jazeera backs up c-p's post. So, since you made the (false) accusation re:

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However, I believe the US stopped food aid supplies when they discovered that removing the "USA" stamping from the rice bags was more important than getting the rice to the starving(?) population.
I reckon you might be best to reconsider what you said in reply to c-p.

Of course, you may mean that the PRNK were removing the "USA" stamping from the rice bags. That means it is still a (false) accusation as the food aid was stopped for the reasons c-p said.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 20:54   #14 (permalink)
 
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The way that statement reads, it appears NK were more interested in removing the USA labels from the bags of rice so they gave the appearance of coming from the govt of NK, than making sure the food was distributed to those in need. I don't believe VI had any intention of taking a dig at the US.

My opinion, for what it's worth. Could be wrong.
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Con-pilot. I was not bashing the US. If you have nothing else to spew out than (false) accusation, I suggest you shut the f"ck up.
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 21:12   #16 (permalink)

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The way that statement reads, it appears NK were more interested in removing the USA labels from the bags of rice so they gave the appearance of coming from the govt of NK, than making sure the food was distributed to those in need. I don't believe VI had any intention of taking a dig at the US.

My opinion, for what it's worth. Could be wrong.
Okay, I'm reading it again, just to make sure I'm not taking things out of context. Be right back.
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The things is, SRT, there hasn't been a reference to the bit about "removing the USA label" in any report I've found so far.

Sure, in 2011, aid was stopped because of, amongst other things, the food going to where it WASN'T needed (army, police, government) but that wasn't just food aid from the USA as it was also stopped by the EU, Australia and S. Korea.

In 2009, the PRNK kicked out the US NGO's involved in distributing the food aid and rejected more US food aid, after a UN inspector stated that those who needed the food weren't getting it.

This year, the US stopped the food aid over the missile launches in April.

So where is there anything about anyone "removing the USA label from rice bags"?
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Old 3rd Aug 2012, 21:25   #18 (permalink)

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However, I believe the US stopped food aid supplies when they discovered that removing the "USA" stamping from the rice bags was more important than getting the rice to the starving(?) population. In addition, there were rumours that the North Korean army was being supplied the donated food on a priority basis.
Sorry, but that's about how I see it. With the bold bits, it sure looks insulting toward the US, as we stopped the aid because the lettering USA was removed from the food aid bags and boxes, thereby letting people starve to death in North Korea.

Maybe it is language context error? You know, two people speaking the same language but not understanding each other.

Anyway, its in Victor Inox's court now. Lets see what he says. Did I misunderstand your post?

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I'm betting Victor is an exceptionally good sprinter.
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