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Ah, Sproggy baby. What can one say !.....I find it incredulous that others ( not me you understand ) should choose to comment in an adverse manner about a group with over 100 years of experience......however, I do wonder if, possibly, the lyrics strike a chord with you....
"And Nick. Wow!, just wow! You really went to the trouble of digging that up? It's one of two things clearly; Obsession or the pathological need to seek a rise from others. Will this do?
Only you know which one it is, but we both know that either way, you're not well. Not well at all."
Hahahaha. Is that it? All you can come up with? Dearie me, Sproggy, you can't even manage a decent insult. Like the stereotypical playground bully all you can do is attempt to belittle anybody who disagrees with you and you're not even very good at that. It's all a bit sad really. To paraphrase a certain dark Jedi - " I find your lack of self-awareness disturbing".
Hahahaha. Is that it? All you can come up with? Dearie me, Sproggy, you can't even manage a decent insult. Like the stereotypical playground bully all you can do is attempt to belittle anybody who disagrees with you and you're not even very good at that. It's all a bit sad really. To paraphrase a certain dark Jedi - " I find your lack of self-awareness disturbing".
I think you'll find Nick, that all of this unedifying spectacle began with:
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I see the pub singer is passing his critical eye over an iconic band now. They must be mortified
Sarcasm, the lowest form of wit. For a reason.
I know the words to Lodi very well Condescending & chips. I always saw you as an audience member in that song. If you know what I mean..
Keith Richards has made a career out of playing the minor 7 barre chaord shape in open tuning. It's the undercarriage of all their really big songs.
As nick pointed out, the Horley pub singer passed his lofty judgement on a rock that is still going after 50 years, doing sell out tours, is probably the longest running, biggest selling, most iconic rock group of all time. and anyone that doesnt subscribe to the lofty Horley Pub Singer's views is therefore wothy of his contempt.
Is it selective memory that you forget that you kicked it off, the same selective memory that forgets that you announced that you do gigs in a pub in Horely and if someone mentions it you accuse them of stalking you ?
nope, its a bully tactic and you have employed it on myself, KnC, Tableview, Nick, Hellsbrink, a former female poster who left this forum because of it and others.
you are scapegoating others.
Scapegoating is a hostile social - psychological discrediting routine by which people move blame and responsibility away from themselves and towards a target person or group. It is also a practice by which angry feelings and feelings of hostility may be projected, via inappropriate accusation, towards others. The target feels wrongly persecuted and receives misplaced vilification, blame and criticism; he is likely to suffer rejection from those who the perpetrator seeks to influence. Scapegoating has a wide range of focus: from "approved" enemies of very large groups of people down to the scapegoating of individuals by other individuals. Distortion is always a feature.
In scapegoating, feelings of guilt, aggression, blame and suffering are transferred away from a person or group so as to fulfill an unconscious drive to resolve or avoid such bad feelings. This is done by the displacement of responsibility and blame to another who serves as a target for blame both for the scapegoater and his supporters. The scapegoating process can be understood as an example of the Drama Triangle concept [Karpman, 1968].
The perpetrator's drive to displace and transfer responsibility away from himself may not be experienced with full consciousness - self-deception is often a feature. The target's knowledge that he is being scapegoated builds slowly and follows events. The scapegoater's target experiences exclusion, ostracism or even expulsion.
In so far as the process is unconscious it is more likely to be denied by the perpetrator. In such cases, any bad feelings - such as the perpetrator's own shame and guilt - are also likely to be denied.
Scapegoating frees the perpetrator from some self-dissatisfaction and provides some narcissistic gratification to him. It enables the self-righteous discharge of aggression. Scapegoaters tend to have extra-punitive characteristics [Kraupl-Taylor, 1953].
Scapegoating also can be seen as the perpetrator's defense mechanism against unacceptable emotions such as hostility and guilt. In Kleinian terms, scapegoating is an example of projective identification, with the primitive intent of splitting: separating the good from the bad [Scheidlinger, 1982]. On another view, scapegoaters are insecure people driven to raise their own status by lowering the status of their target [Carter, 1996].
Bullying and transference.
Bullying is seen as the transference of emotional responsibility from the dominant to the submissive.
However, the nature of the mind to mirror and reflect others suggests it is not possible to transfer ‘onto’ someone. Rather the submissive takes the responsibility from the dominant. Thus the dominant are only dominant via the submission of others. The self sacrificial behaviour of willing submission has long been documented in mammalian studies, and has social value in preventing conflict becoming too destructive. The act of submission , however subtle, acts as a trigger to dissuade the dominant from further aggression. ‘I have submitted, stop the attack’
That is why, my dear sprog-punter is why you *so* dislike and started personal vendettas against myself and Tableview, because we are not character types that will submit to your scapegaoting and transference.
Apart from being factually incorrect Stuckneedle, I.e. asking someone if they're stalking me is not the same as accusing them of doing so. But Zzzzzz throw mud, hope it sticks is obviously the strategy here.
What you singularly fail to comprehend is that this:
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Keith Richards has made a career out of playing the minor 7 barre chaord shape in open tuning. It's the undercarriage of all their really big songs.
is not a criticism. It's an observation. Now I can't help that you're musically illiterate. Actually, you're fairly illiterate full stop, but that's another matter. However, I can tell you categorically that that quote is correct, upstanding and true. This makes me laugh like a drain. I'm such a bully, yet you've spent your Saturday throwing it at me when I've known all along you don't know what you're talking about.Not a clue. Up the creek etc. etc.
This is your weakness. Your flappy lips exceed your intellect by several leptons. Too much keyboard, too little knowledge. The least constructive member of this place in history.
Anyway, put down the dwarf porn & vodka & get back to me once you've identified the min7 barre chord shape in this wonderful tune.
Here's another option: I get that you think I'm a knobhead. You and your dysfunctional mates Condescending leftie irrelevant dinosaur & angry Daily cricket incompetent Simpsons character. I don't really care one way or the other. It all comes about because I chuckle, no laugh at ideologues & dogmatic bottom feeders. But I can see this is going nowhere except to trade insults. So I'm willing to withdraw gracefully, if you are prepared to cease breathing. Sorry, I meant to say trading in kind.
1966. Wigan Grammar School. Our class had lockers in the main corridor (for school books etc). A few of the "wild ones" scratched various names / logos etc on them. Enter the headmaster - all the class in detention and called to attend Saturday morning to make ammends - sand down and revarnish (black varnish) the said lockers.
My everlasting memory of that Saturday morning was of us all singing the Stones "Paint it Black" whilst we sanded and varnished.
if they gave out medals for being a sarcastic verbose knobber, you would be Sir Steve Redgrave.
Oh, I crack myself up sometimes. It's an art.
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yet you've spent your Saturday throwing it at me
and again. no. i've been standing my ground and not submitting to your attempts at belittling, deriding and attempting to bully others into submission.
and if you cared to notice i posted this earlier:
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NB: you may choose to report this as abuse my dear sprogget, but this is all said light heartedly with no malice, and figure that if you can dish it out as you have done, you can of course take it back.
but yet again with the personal attacks. scapegoating and transference...
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Your flappy lips exceed your intellect by several leptons. Too much keyboard, too little knowledge.
yep. because you know sooo much about me eh! you have no idea if i quit the local comprehensive at 14 or have a PhD.
obviously the information with reference points went a tad over your head, being such an great intellectual heavyweight, you find 'sarcastic verbose knobber'
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Here's another option: I get that you think I'm a knobhead.
sorry to bust your bubble, but no i dont think of you at all.
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You and your dysfunctional mates Condescending leftie irrelevant dinosaur & angry Daily cricket incompetent Simpsons character. I don't really care one way or the other. It all comes about because I chuckle, no laugh at ideologues & dogmatic bottom feeders. But I can see this is going nowhere except to trade insults. So I'm willing to withdraw gracefully, if you are prepared to cease breathing. Sorry, I meant to say trading in kind
mm.. back with the personal attacks, scapegoating and transferrence. your attempt at claiming to withdraw gracefully is again 'scapegoating' you could have chosen not to launch into personal attacks at the outset, yet you did; but again the thread wasn't about *you* being the center of attention.
so now that you are no longer posting we can get back to the thread theme.. the great rolling stones...
My sincere apologies Goudie. I hope others will follow suit.
Anyway, For me The Stones were at their best around the Muscle Shoals period. Mick Taylor was a loss from my perspective coming from my home town as he does. Ry Cooder taught Keith Richards open tuning and that changed the Stones sound completely and that's the period I look back on most fondly. If I had to pick one song, it would be Wild Horses. Then again, I venerate Gram Parsons above all & more than anything else, I wish he had lived.
The is little doubt that Mick and the boys are/were one of the most iconic rock bands of the last 40 years, but to my simple view they were out of creative juices by the mid 1980's and I can remember feeling very underwhelmed by a couple of album purchases thereafter and as far as I can fathom they haven't replicated anything since then, each going off to do their own solo projects. The son of one was my next door neighbour back in the early 90's and he himself just admitted to it being a very lucrative gravy train that just kept giving. Without wishing to add fuel to the Surrey/Sussex border skirmish , the comment about the RS being a tribute band is somehow correct as they have effectively just kept pumping out their fantastic back catalogue for donkeys years and not developed creatively at all. That said, if I had squeezed out so many groovy tunes back in the day and at an advanced point in life was begged to keep playing, I would be mostly happy to oblige as long as it left me a life on the side.
1 Paint It Black 
2 Sympathy for the Devil 
3 (I Can't Get No) Satisfaction 
4 Gimme Shelter 
5 Angie 
7 Jumpin' Jack Flash 
8 Brown Sugar 
9 Start Me Up 
, the comment about the RS being a tribute band is somehow correct as they have effectively just kept pumping out their fantastic back catalogue for donkeys years and not developed creatively at all. That said, if I had squeezed out so many groovy tunes back in the day and at an advanced point in life was begged to keep playing, I would be mostly happy to oblige as long as it left me a life on the side.
