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Old 28th May 2012, 12:12   #1 (permalink)
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Asia and drugs

Over the years there has been a never ending stream of people busted in Bali and other parts of Asia for drugs,including this lot today :

British woman arrested over Bali cocaine bust - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

The penalties are not secret,the trigger amount in possession for the death penalty is very small,yet there seems to be no shortage of punters willing to give it a try.The chances of being caught are very high.After you are awarded the death penalty in Bali,they dispatch you by firing squad in a remote location and there is no warning of the exact day or time that you will be taken for your last ride

I have no sympathy at all for drug peddlers but sometimes wonder how these people get in so deep.The death penalty is mandatory in many countries and doesn't appear to be a deterrent for many of these high stakes gamblers

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Old 28th May 2012, 12:24   #2 (permalink)
 
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Good question.. after all, trying to hide a boat-load of powder brick in the lining of your suitcase is hardly cutting edge smuggling tactics is it??

Who would imagine they would look in there..
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Old 28th May 2012, 12:30   #3 (permalink)
 
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sometimes wonder how these people get in so deep
Stupid, gullible, impressionable, naive, greedy, selfish or just too cocky to believe they will be caught. Take your pick of one or more from the list and you've got a good chance of having the right answer.
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Old 28th May 2012, 12:40   #4 (permalink)
 
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greedy, selfish or just too cocky to believe they will be caught
Given that she's seemingly claimed she did it because her kids would be harmed if she didn't, after agreeing to be part of the "sting" that caught the other 4 involved which would definitely mean her kids would be harmed, I would say that she comes under all of the above.

What's funny is one of the other suspects has tried to claim it was a stitch-up despite there being 49kg of cocaine at his house on Bali, he says the police planted the powder........
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Old 28th May 2012, 12:46   #5 (permalink)
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he says the police planted the powder
Well, he would, wouldn't he?
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he says the police planted the powder........
No chance !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They would have flogged it through their dealer network....
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Old 28th May 2012, 21:26   #7 (permalink)
 
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...After you are awarded the death penalty in Bali,they dispatch you by firing squad...
The recidivism rate is a nice round figure... Namely zero!
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Old 28th May 2012, 23:41   #8 (permalink)
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Whilst I have zero sympathy for dealers and pushers, I also have zero doubts that there are innocent people in jails in these areas. Here the police get a % of the haul value as a 'commission' so there is massive incentive to get a conviction.
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Old 29th May 2012, 02:26   #9 (permalink)
 
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Doesn't matter what the penalty, the profits are high enough for some to take the risk. The price of drugs on the streets hasn't gone up for donkey's years so in real terms it's getting cheaper; so some must be getting through guys & there are many punters using.

Of course during prohibition there were many willing to take a risk...some became the crime syndicates, others businessmen & politicians...

The War on Drugs....just another sad failure.
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Old 29th May 2012, 03:32   #10 (permalink)
 
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The chances of being caught aren't as high as all that.
Also, most crims don't think they'll get caught, particularly the ones who end up getting caught. That goes for other sorts of crims too, not just drug mules.

Plenty of Asian traffickers also have gambling or other debts with the Triads (or similar criminal organizations) and have no real choice. Get shot by the Triads or maybe get shot by the Indons... The latter option looks cheerier.

Many young Westerners have the view that narcotics aren't Bad and what they're doing isn't serious. Without wading into that debate, it's safe to say that most Asian countries don't agree. Of course you'd have to be living under a rock not to know about the capital penalties for trafficking in SEA, but some people actually do live under rocks, and/or think they're too smart to get caught so the penalty won't apply to them anyway.

IMO the average drug mule is not the brightest bunny in the burrow (there are notable exceptions, usually professional mules) and is dumb, desperate or greedy, frequently a mix of all three.

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Old 29th May 2012, 04:06   #11 (permalink)

 
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Most mules think that since they are Western they'll only cop
a 20+ year sentence iso the death penalty. One example was
Schapelle ("but she's so beautiful so she MUST be innocent!")
Leigh Corby. She avoided bullet insertions because of prints
on the packages made by Customs officers which tainted the
evidence and the investigation of her "excuse" and became a
sticking point with the Defence. Thus instead of execution she
was commuted to life - and has no doubt become someone's
bitch.

The locals of course are hung or shot. And yes it pisses them
off that Westerners get a lighter sentence than they do. There
is a lot of rightful pressure to string foreigners up for the same
conviction.

You'll be surprised to know that Thailand and Singapore don't
necessarily hang every Westerner caught with drugs - this is
so as to not scare off tourists if every mule was executed. The
selection process I'm not privy to.....but I know that they are
instantly deported with the firm promise if they ever set foot
in the country again they're dead.
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Old 29th May 2012, 07:53   #12 (permalink)
 
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I also have zero doubts that there are innocent people in jails in these areas
I agree, so whilst Indonesia and Thailand are beautiful places, and I am sure many people have had wonderful experiences there, I personally will give them a wide berth.
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Old 29th May 2012, 08:39   #13 (permalink)
 
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I agree with Alloa Akbar and even more so after watching the following video.


Scarey stuff.
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Old 29th May 2012, 08:44   #14 (permalink)
 
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The same as people fall for Nigerian 419 type scams. Greed, stupidity, dishonesty, and arrogance.
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Have we forgottem that little faux pas at CDG the other year where they put a packet of drugs in someone's luggage as practice for the dogs and lost it?

That could have got some poor sod hanged......
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Old 29th May 2012, 09:50   #16 (permalink)
 
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The selection process I'm not privy to.....but I know that they are instantly deported with the firm promise if they ever set foot in the country again they're dead.
Interesting.
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The locals of course are hung or shot. And yes it pisses them off that Westerners get a lighter sentence than they do.
I don't blame them. If people want to travel to another country they should accept its penalties and its laws, particularly if they're only travelling there for the purpose of committing a crime that's also a serious crime in Australia (albeit with a lesser penalty). I have some sympathy for their families, but the person concerned should feel guilty about that, not the governments concerned. It's no big secret that many countries have the death penalty for trafficking.

WRT Thailand, Indonesia and several other countries in the area (not Singapore) I have my own theory on the selection process, but of course it's only a theory. Australian border agency officers are routinely offered bribes by offenders from several neighbouring countries. Often the offenders seem very surprised and a bit offended when it doesn't work. Hell, maybe sometimes it does work, but I'd really hope not.
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Have we forgottem that little faux pas at CDG the other year where they put a packet of drugs in someone's luggage as practice for the dogs and lost it?
Really? That's an incredibly bad clusterfk that would have been avoided if any person involved in the training run owned and used more than two neurons. Maybe they should have gotten the dog to do the planning. Seriously, that should NEVER happen.

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Old 29th May 2012, 11:12   #17 (permalink)
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I arrived in Australia with my previous wife and stood in the line for immigration. The chap with the sniffer dogs was doing the rounds and I (being an irritating know it all) said that they train the dog to sit down quietly if something suspicious is found so as not to draw attention from the other passengers. The dog and handler got to our trolley and I lifted a holdall off the top so bonzo could have a really good sniff. He poked his nose inside then promptly sat down. It turns out that they teach them to sniff for unopened bottles of Qantas in-flight booze too.
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I arrived in Australia with my previous wife and stood in the line for immigration
Your golden opportunity to frame her and rid yourself of her and you blew it..
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Passive versus active. Most airport dogs are trained passive. They're both equally effective, the only difference is what the trained response is (namely tear it apart, or sit quietly while the tame human tears it apart ).

Any dog can make a mistake but it's almost always a false positive (ie the dog thinks it's found something but it hasn't) rather than the other way around.

Dogs are much better fellow employees than humans .

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Old 29th May 2012, 13:07   #20 (permalink)
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Not so Mullah Akbar, the ex and I are still great mates. We just wanted different things from life and we've ended up with what we both wanted so it all worked out just fine.

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