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Old 17th May 2012, 16:05   #21 (permalink)
 
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Seldomfitforpurpose,

I would have thought waving your foot and leg around would have been more likely to compromise your safety than arms.

Then again, as a driver, I've never been thanked by leg or arm by bikers for letting them pass..... they just zoom past at 100mph never to be seen again. Guess the roads on which I find myself attract more of the those deserving the "organ donor" title !

Oh well, each to their own... left foot in, right foot out, shake it all about ... guess we could argue this one out until the cows come home. So let's agree to disagree.

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Old 17th May 2012, 16:06   #22 (permalink)
 
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I used to consider motorcycles the work of the devil, as a rider I have reluctantly decided to revise my opinion!!!!

I drive reularly on the continent and occasionally in Italy, and have recently started doing so on the bike. Generally, motorists are much more tolerant and amenable to bikers than in the UK - esp. in Italy where most car drivers drive like lunatics.

I discussed it with the son of an Italian friend who is a keen biker last year. His explanation is that, especially in Italy, all teenagers aspire to riding a motorbike (his younger brother started riding his moped around the local town when he was 12 - when I questioned it his logic was impeccable "if I'm wearing my helmet that can't see me, so they think I'm my brother). When they graduate to driving a car, most drivers have experienced what it is like to be a biker - so they are much more understanding of what it is like to be on a bike. No Italian car driver I know would suggest taking his hand off the throttle at speed to wave thanks.

Perhaps driving experience should be graduated. Minimum of 1 year on a moped, one year on a large bike (assuming test passed), two years driving a Morris thousnad, and then finally be permitted to graduate to something larger.
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Old 17th May 2012, 16:22   #23 (permalink)
 
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Putting this in the context of MotoGp etc, the riders are evidently a very friendly and polite bunch - much foot waving to be seen!
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Old 17th May 2012, 17:25   #24 (permalink)
 
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Then again, as a driver, I've never been thanked by leg or arm by bikers for letting them pass.....
I, like others on here have said, have been thanked with a wave on numerous occasions for showing consideration to bike riders, guess you and I must have very different driving styles
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Old 17th May 2012, 17:46   #25 (permalink)
 
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Get thanked, either by foot or hand by about 75% of motorcyclists, latest about an hour ago.

I always try to make eye contact in the rear view mirror with any motorcyclist behind me, just to let them know that I am aware they are there (so won't drive in a manner that will compromise them) and pull to the side as much as I can.

I think motorcyclists are appreciative if people are aware of them. They often get the 'organ donor' title that Mixture alludes to, but a lot of the time the accidents are caused by drivers who pootle along in a dream like state, totally unaware of what goes on around them.

Never had a bike, but do cycle. Although poles apart, I think the experience gained by being on two wheels makes you more aware of your actions when on four
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but a lot of the time the accidents are caused by drivers who pootle along in a dream like state, totally unaware of what goes on around them.
And generally those are the drivers that never get waved at
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Old 17th May 2012, 18:01   #27 (permalink)
 
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I've always waved my foot to drivers to thank them for being courteous

However I don't own a bike just a car

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Old 17th May 2012, 18:48   #28 (permalink)
 
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I think this kick does have a translation into driverese?

If on a country road at night where a tourist is pootling along and they see you want to go past and pullover, you can't respond with a flash of headlights, so is it not good practice to flash the indicator left then right?

In the daytime, a simple raise of the hand should do.

As a cyclist, I think raising a hand should do fine, I rarely find myself in a position where I cannot do that, as it is only a brief loss of stability and I can wait a few seconds to change gear - although I wouldn't want to make such a signal if I was going round a corner and needed both hands on handlebars.

As someone who uses SPD pedals, I want to keep my feet "locked in" as much as possible - I have only ever had to give a "foot signal" once, and it was in order to stop a driver from pulling out straight into my path. Needless to say he got the message!
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Old 17th May 2012, 18:49   #29 (permalink)
 
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i never had tableview pegged as a biker.. the CT chapter of the HA

even though my driving style is at the upper end of speed limits, i always make room for bikers and afford them extra caution and consideration (same with HGV drivers too), never noticed the foot signal though, usually i get the throttle fingers raised in salute. ('salute' being a word of french origin!)

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Old 17th May 2012, 20:30   #30 (permalink)
 
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See the foot rising all the time on the M25 if I or someone has moved out of way, means more likely to continue to do so, when bikers start being ignorant and inconsiderate then will act differently but not expecting to see that anytime soon. Have often deliberately adjusted mirrors so they know I see them when they behind and not seeking to pass.

Consideration costs nothing both ways.
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Old 17th May 2012, 20:45   #31 (permalink)
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Flippin' SILLY!


I wouldn't dream of taking my foot off the peg while overtaking, it might well release the suction grip of my buttocks to the saddle.
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Old 17th May 2012, 21:39   #32 (permalink)
 
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I, like others on here have said, have been thanked with a wave on numerous occasions for showing consideration to bike riders, guess you and I must have very different driving styles
Or just the fact that you pootle about in leafy Oxon .... whilst I have to contend with roads that see motorcycle couriers and such like.... who display the motorbike equivalent of White Van Man Syndrome.

Don't get me wrong. I know there are many good bikers around.... just like there are no doubt many good cyclists..... but around where I find myself, I seem to get red light jumpers and everything else !
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Old 18th May 2012, 01:43   #33 (permalink)
 
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As a biker I have found most of the comments on this thread great, and they have given me an inner feeling of well-being, specially to all you biker-aware drivers. Thank you We know that being on a bike makes as more vulnerable and we also know that we can (and do) upset some people, but the general goodwill shown here is great.

Tomorrow the sun will be shining on our crisp Autumn morning, we'll head out for breakfast and a ride in the countryside - appreciative of the considerate drivers

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Old 18th May 2012, 10:04   #34 (permalink)
 
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Heck no, David, you're on the more powerful machine, it's nice and narrow, why shouldn't we let you pass in safety if we can ?


Thanks for all the posts here and let the spirit of brotherhood* on the roads continue.


* Except for the white van man. And the French drivers from 66 land. Especially the French drivers from 66 land.
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Old 18th May 2012, 10:29   #35 (permalink)

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Top Ten Reasons Why Goldwing Riders Don't Wave Back

They aren't sure whether the other rider is waving or making an obscene gesture.
They risk getting frostbite if they take their hand off the heated grip.
They have arthritis and it is difficult to raise their arm.
The reflection from the etched windshield was momentarily blinding.
The on-board espresso machine had just finished.
They were asleep when other rider waved.
They were involved in a three-way conference call with their stock broker and accessories dealer.
They were distracted by an oddly shaped blip on their radar screen.
They were simultaneously adjusting the air suspension, seat height, programmable CD player, seat temperature and satellite navigation system.
They couldn't find the "auto wave-back" button on their dashboard.
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Old 18th May 2012, 15:59   #36 (permalink)


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If all car drivers were forced to spend three years riding bikes before moving to four wheels, the roads would be a damn sight safer
You learn safe defensive driving techniques rather quickly on a bike - something you'll never forget
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Old 18th May 2012, 16:14   #37 (permalink)
 
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Lon - how very true

Milo - how very true
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Old 18th May 2012, 22:28   #38 (permalink)
 
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Thanks for all the posts here and let the spirit of brotherhood* on the roads continue.
Lol (in both senses perhaps Mr Cameron?)

If you want the argument thread, look up the cyclists!

I got waved at by a bus driver earlier on as he drove on and I was about to walk across a pelican crossing - quite bizarre, but it seems that particular crossing (by the Library in the Royal Spa) works in reverse to the way all the others work!

As for cyclists v bikers, I could perhaps sum it up as follows:

I love by bike, it is a gracious, fast and clean machine - but I do despair at the actions of so many of my "fellow" cyclists.

I can't stand motorbikes - they are noisy, dirty, and frankly extremely dangerous machines. However, I have never experienced anything other than courtesy from 99% of the bikers I encounter, whether I'm on my bike, on foot, in a car or just walking past the bikers' pub round the corner.

I suppose the "organ donor" label must mean that those that do wish to go around on two wheels with a very powerful engine make sure they live life to the fullest whilst they can, and a happy person is always a courteous person.
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Old 18th May 2012, 22:41   #39 (permalink)


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a week before Christmas i had the headgasket and radiator blow on my old Rover 400 while heading north up the M6. Managed to get it off and onto the slip road at J31 (Preston) where it seized and a quick check proved it was ****ed.
I stood on the side of the slip road at the junction with the road into Preston for two hours waiting for a tow from the AA. During that time (evening rush hour) just one person stopped to see if he could help - a fully patched Hells Angel on a Harley
Theres a moral about preconceptions there somewhere
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Old 18th May 2012, 22:48   #40 (permalink)

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Cyclists round our way are taught to respond to consideration shown by sticking up one finger. Or two fingers if you've been extra specially careful by swerving to avoid killing them when they fly off the pavement in front of you.

If I can't knock them off I just scream abuse and reply like for like with the same number of fingers. If my wife is driving I help her out by dropping my trousers and mooning out of the rear windscreen at them.

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