PPRuNe Forums

Go Back   PPRuNe Forums > PPRuNe Social > Jet Blast
Forgotten your Username/Password?


Jet Blast Topics that don't fit the other forums. Rules of Engagement apply.


Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 5th May 2012, 08:26   #1 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: east sussex
Age: 53
Posts: 8
Motor on QI

On the BBC panel game QI last night (4th May) the contestants built electric motors, (or at least spinning rotors) using the sole components of ; a short length of wire, an AA battery, a large woodscrew, and a small round magnet.

I've tried it myself, and it really works - but how?

The screw always rotates in the same direction, and is self starting. The wire in contact with the magnet is clearly acting as a commutator, and the field lines produced by the permanent magnet and the current passing through the screw must provide the motive power, but I can't see how.

Try it yourself - place the magnet on the head of the screw, suspend the screw point uppermost from one end of the battery (you need a powerful magnet, about the same size as the screw head), then use the wire to connect the other end of the battery to the side of the magnet.

Good luck.
split system breaker is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 10:36   #2 (permalink)
Tabs please !
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Biffins Bridge
Posts: 434
See Fleming's right-hand rule.
B Fraser is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 10:39   #3 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Swindon, Wilts,UK
Posts: 524
Shouldn't that be his Left Hand rule for motors? I thought the Right Hand rule was for generators.
Windy Militant is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 11:23   #4 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2000
Location: Here. Over here.
Posts: 188
Construction and explanation here
Desert Dingo is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 11:26   #5 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Aug 2010
Location: Australia
Age: 54
Posts: 149
The simplest motor of the world. [VIDEO]
osmosis is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 12:16   #6 (permalink)
Tabs please !
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Biffins Bridge
Posts: 434
Quote:
Shouldn't that be his Left Hand rule
How sinister

I was dredging the grey matter from 33 years ago so forgive my error. In any case, does it not go in the opposite direction south of the equator
B Fraser is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 12:32   #7 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Europe
Posts: 78
While you are at puzzles anyway, would anybody help me explain a friend why planes flying against the rotating of the Earth have to fly forward at all - he claims they could get off and stay up there until the Earth turns the destination right below them.
probes is online now   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 12:37   #8 (permalink)
Paid...Persona Grata
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Between BHX and EMA
Age: 67
Posts: 210
Quote:
could get off and stay up there until the Earth turns the destination right below them
If they could do 1000mph (approx, at the equator) they would. They would be doing 1000 mph relative to the earth's surface while the earth was spinning at the same speed the other way - i.e. the plane would be standing still relative to an observer out in space.

Speed would need to be less at different latitudes.

Cheers
UFO
UniFoxOs is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 13:07   #9 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: east sussex
Age: 53
Posts: 8
Actually, thinking about it, I don't believe it is Fleming's left or right hand rule, but actually Maxwell's corkscrew rule that makes it work.

Incidentally, there's no need to use a screw, a small symmetrical Yale type key works well. The best visual effect I've found is to use a large keyring with a small ball-bearing on top to reduce friction.
split system breaker is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 13:18   #10 (permalink)
Tabs please !
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: Biffins Bridge
Posts: 434
Corkscrews are sadly becoming a thing of the past. I'm with the Maitre D' on this i.e. personally, I blame the French.
B Fraser is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 13:53   #11 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2001
Location: Newcastle/UK
Posts: 71
Yer, as well as the electric light bulb we also invented the electric motor, twere a chap called Faraday wot done it.
tony draper is online now   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 14:13   #12 (permalink)
bnt
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Dublin, Ireland. (No, I just live here.)
Posts: 654
Quote:
Originally Posted by probes View Post
While you are at puzzles anyway, would anybody help me explain a friend why planes flying against the rotating of the Earth have to fly forward at all - he claims they could get off and stay up there until the Earth turns the destination right below them.
Because planes fly against the air, and the air is generally following the rotation of the earth. It doesn't do so perfectly, of course, and when it doesn't, that's what we call "wind". If planes went above the atmosphere, as satellites do, that would be a different matter entirely.
bnt is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 14:15   #13 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: egsh
Posts: 152
Faraday

The bloke who invented the cage as well?

"There were lions and tigers and camels
And old ale and sandwiches too"

(Just seeking for further amusement we paid and went in at the zoo)
wings folded is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 14:26   #14 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The Land of Beer and Chocolate
Age: 45
Posts: 761
Quote:
While you are at puzzles anyway, would anybody help me explain a friend why planes flying against the rotating of the Earth have to fly forward at all - he claims they could get off and stay up there until the Earth turns the destination right below them.
How big a conveyor belt would he need to try it, can try to knock one up out of wood, fairy liquid bottles and sticky-back plastic tomorrow......
hellsbrink is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 14:43   #15 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Wayne Manor
Posts: 1,047
Quote:
How big a conveyor belt would he need to try it, can try to knock one up out of wood, fairy liquid bottles and sticky-back plastic tomorrow......
any chance of a tracy island too ?
stuckgear is online now   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 14:48   #16 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The Land of Beer and Chocolate
Age: 45
Posts: 761
Nope, one only does the impossible. Miracles are extra
hellsbrink is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 15:10   #17 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: Swindon, Wilts,UK
Posts: 524
Quote:
but actually Maxwell's corkscrew rule that makes it work
Touche!
Actually it's the magnetic field that makes it turn, and you could call that Marjorie or Derrick and it would still work.
Quote:
While you are at puzzles anyway, would anybody help me explain a friend why planes flying against the rotating of the Earth have to fly forward at all - he claims they could get off and stay up there until the Earth turns the destination right below them.
has he tried jumping into the air to see how much the earth turns before he Lands?
Windy Militant is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 15:18   #18 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: East of LGB
Age: 58
Posts: 449
I don't get it. Desert Dingo's Video above says "Build a Simple Electric Motor in 5 minutes. Why is it a 17 and a half minute video?
11Fan is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 15:37   #19 (permalink)
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Somewhere between E17487 and F75775
Posts: 514
the rotating of the Earth


Question: in order for it to rotate, does the Elephant have to lie on his back and sort of juggle with his feet ? If not and the Elephant remains upright, I don't see how it can rotate at all.
OFSO is offline   Reply
Old 5th May 2012, 15:41   #20 (permalink)
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: The Land of Beer and Chocolate
Age: 45
Posts: 761
Don't be silly, OFSO, eni fule nos that the earth rotates because it is on the back of 4 elephants walking in a circle on the back of a giant turtle.
hellsbrink is offline   Reply
 
 
This ad will disappear if you login
Reply
 


Thread Tools


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT. The time now is 08:42.


vBulletin® v3.8.7, Copyright ©2000-2013, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
© 1996-2012 The Professional Pilots Rumour Network

As these are anonymous forums the origins of the contributions may be opposite to what may be apparent. In fact the press may use it, or the unscrupulous, or sciolists*, to elicit certain reactions.

*"sciolist"... Noun, archaic. "a person who pretends to be knowledgeable and well informed".