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Old 19th Feb 2012, 14:50   #1 (permalink)
 
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Devil War in Australia (any Oz Politics)

Well, not quite. But politically they've "gone over the top" and open warfare has now been effectively declared between Gillard, the PM, and Rudd, the ex PM. This present government has but a very very short time to run - possibly as little as one week.

Unfortunately, because of a ruling by the mods we are not allowed any discussion or input in what is likely to be a momentous few weeks in Australian history ranking alongside the sacking of Gough Whitlam as PM by the Governor General.

That this moment in history will eventuate in a ripping asunder of one of the main political parties and is likely to change the political face of Australia for many, many years to come is undeniable. It will also probably have a great deal of influence in how we run politics in the future. It is a seminal moment.

However, we can't discuss it.

We can discuss European, American, South African, British, Swedish, Russian, Chinese and sundry other political set ups on their hamsterwheels but not Australia.

What other country in the world got rid of a Prime Minister whilst in office, supplanted that PM with his deputy (and the first woman PM in Australia), then decided that she wasn't cutting the mustard and now appears to want the previous PM back. What message does this send to the rest of the world, and in particular Asia - our region, about the system here?

I have no doubt that I will receive a 'telling off' from the mods and be made to stand in the naughty corner again but as they say....."same old Sisemen". However, I would urge them to change their mind and let this thread stand

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Old 19th Feb 2012, 14:55   #2 (permalink)
 
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Can I just add that a Country usually gets the Politicians
it deserves.
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 14:57   #3 (permalink)
 
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- not so sure actually. I's terribly slow to change a system, especially if the ones you want to get rid of are on top positions.
What would the best possible (less worse?) outcome for Australia be?
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 15:13   #4 (permalink)
 
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What would the best possible (less worse?) outcome for Australia be?
The Governor General, as The Queen's Representative, should announce that the government has lost the support of the people and a general election announced.

The continued internecine fighting that is going on at the moment is not doing the country any good.

It is making the place effectively ungovernable.

It will rip the Labor party asunder and it will not recover from that situation for a very long time and that is not healthy for democracy or good governance.

The people of Australia are sick to the back teeth of the fighting and want an input into who runs the country.

So, therefore, an election declared this week or next should mitigate the effects of the in-fighting and will stop the uncertainty. It will also solve the problem of a minority government which patently hasn't worked.

I'm not saying that an alternative Coalition Government would be any better in the short term but at least it breaks this present impasse.
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 15:17   #5 (permalink)
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It will also solve the problem of a minority government which patently hasn't worked.
How can you be sure that an election now will have a different result than last time?
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 15:30   #6 (permalink)
 
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No-one can be sure but the polls - which have been pretty much consistent over the past 10 - 12 months - indicate a clear cut result.
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Well, but often the problem is - everyone struggling to power have just bulging pockets of their own in their mind?
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 15:40   #8 (permalink)
 
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What would the best possible (less worse?) outcome for Australia be? .
Australia should revert back to its revered status as a penal colony and accept all non-english speaking immigrants from its mother country the UK
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Would an elected president make things better or worse?
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 16:02   #10 (permalink)

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because of a ruling by the mods we are not allowed any discussion
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We can discuss European, American, South African, British, Swedish, Russian, Chinese and sundry other political set ups on their hamsterwheels but not Australia.

You are of course being somewhat disingenuous here sisemen, because you know full well that there is a very good reason that Australian politics discussions have been banned in here for a long time. It is because such discussions invariably go totally off the rails in a very short time and end up with a raging war between people who have proved themselves incapable of having reasoned discussion and insist on using personal attacks and insults.

However ............... let's just try one more time (THE LAST TIME) to see if you can all behave like sensible human beings.

Go ahead.
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 16:21   #11 (permalink)
 
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My only (short) time in Australia was at the peak of the Hawke/Keating power change. As I recall, the press reports were full of "He said....". "I never promised....." etc.

Is it only the ALP that have these tiffs about who should be next to lead & fcuk up the Country?
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 16:45   #12 (permalink)
 
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What other country in the world got rid of a Prime Minister whilst in office, supplanted that PM with his deputy (and the first woman PM in Australia), then decided that she wasn't cutting the mustard and now appears to want the previous PM back. What message does this send to the rest of the world, and in particular Asia - our region, about the system here?
It shows few people understand the system, as "the country" has no say over who is PM - that is purely a party decision for the party which has enough votes in the lower house to form a government (or in some cases, the Governor-General ). So "the country" didn't get rid of the last one, nor will have any say in whether or not he returns before the next general election.

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Old 19th Feb 2012, 16:58   #13 (permalink)
 
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It's all about power and money.

The buggers in charge NEVER have enough of either. Age old problem.

Shoot em !!

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Old 19th Feb 2012, 17:22   #14 (permalink)

 
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Mods letting Aussies rant about politics without letting 'em be
Aussies. Well let's see -

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What message does this send to the rest of the world, and in
particular Asia - our region, about the system here?
Can answer that in one sentence Sise - the higher powers in
SE Asia regard ALP Oz pollies as a bunch of mindless fcukwits
full stop.

Goodness gracious unROE me I can't say that now can I!

Ok I'll rephrase....the higher offices of government within the
SE Asia region regard the governing politicians of Australia as
a group of people who do not give proper forethought to their
actions due to their ineptitude brought on by their possession
of a lower intellectual collective handicap which is comparable
to the mental capabilities of an interactive partner during the
orgasmic phase of a sexual encounter. No further comment by
this writer is warranted as forthcoming and ends at this point.
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"It is because such discussions invariably go totally off the rails in a very short time and end up with a raging war between people who have proved themselves incapable of having reasoned discussion and insist on using personal attacks and insults."

Must be me then .......

Bring on the Man in the Hat!!!!
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It will be interesting to see how the numbers fall. Personally I don't think Kevvy's got them, but I wouldn't put money on it.

Of the two, I still prefer Gillard; Rudd is such an obvious egomaniacal 'win at any cost' type, and he's been very disloyal by (allegedly, but the dogs have been barking loudly) leaking like a sieve to any journo who will listen.

His campaign has had nothing to do with the good of Australia or even the ALP, rather it's about the good of Kev. Once a dirker, always a dirker. Now we've got two dirkers.

Lucky little Vegemites, aren't we. At least they're annoying the hell out of Bligh in Qld, anyway. Every cloud has a silver lining.
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 20:57   #17 (permalink)
 
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Australia should revert back to its revered status as a penal colony and accept all non-english speaking immigrants from its mother country the UK [quote]

They would feel right at home, right in the centre of the country ........

The Aussies could ship their non-english speaking immigrants in as well......

The politicos should have learnt after watching the degeneration of the UK into Britistan. Saying that, I feel for the real Australians who are the real victims of the political clusterfcuk.
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So, has the political battle caused Air Australia to go bust or did the collapse cause the political turmoil?

Sorry, just keeping an aviation content in here to keep the Mods happy.

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Old 19th Feb 2012, 21:17   #19 (permalink)
 
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No, they created that mess all by themselves.
Like the famous line from Casablanca; Round up the usual suspects.
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Old 19th Feb 2012, 21:52   #20 (permalink)
 
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You might remember the leadership fights in the Liberals between Andrew Peacock and John Howard which ended up with John Howard as Liberal leader.
Sure. The Libs have been proudly knifing each other in public for decades, but Labor are usually a bit quieter about it and do their leadership spills behind closed doors. This one's been very open, with a lot of obvious leaks from both sides. Maybe the new Social Media has something to do with it. Strange times, anyway.
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