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Old 28th Nov 2011, 19:54   #1 (permalink)
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I was thinking how different Vettel is . . .
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Captain Charisma is joining Renault

Looks like Williams have stuffed it up yet again

Official: Kimi returns to F1 with Renault | Planet F1 | Formula One News

What is it with Williams that they either don't hold onto decent drivers or can't get them to sign on the line?

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What is it with Williams that they either don't hold onto decent drivers or can't get them to sign on the line?
The ultimate Williams gaffe (of many) was the Senna test at Donington; Senna's first ever drive in an F1 car.

Almost immediately, Senna destroyed the Williams driver lap times, spotted a sneaky wing setting change during the session and at one point was told to slow down, to which he replied along the lines that he wasn't on the limit.

...and Frank Williams let him walk away. Tw@t.


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...and, just to complete that particular fiasco, killed him many years later, courtesy a team of mechanics incapable of a decent steering column modification.

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Not sure what was happening with his team mate who could not even hold off the McLaren of JB who easily beat him into 3rd places in the drivers table, same car as SV but 134 points back, will be something for MW to ponder for sure.
Actually,I think Webber can rest easy over the Christmas break with the knowledge that he knows exactly what his position is in team Vettel.A win in the last race puts him in the right frame of mind over the winter break (Northern Hemisphere) and if AN designs another class winning car for Red Bull then Webber at the end of his F1 career is in with a chance.

Apart from Vettel the only other driver to be feeling very pleased with himself is JB.Obviously McLaren appreciate him as well as the contract they have shows.His 2nd place ahead the the much more fancied Lewis has put him in a very good position.

The leading drivers most likely to be feeling the pressure are.

Lewis Hamilton for obvious reasons.After being a spoon fed and raised McLaren wonder driver the best he could do was 5th when his older team mate beat him 270 points to 227.Even Alonso did better than Lewis in a car that was nowhere near the McLaren in performance

Alonso,obviously the skill is there but will his car be up to the job?

Schumacher,Will he show some of the brilliance that he once had?

Kimi now that he comes back will he and the car be able to do the job.

Kubica,will he be the same as he was before?

Massa,nothing much to say except he has not been the same since his accident.

Rubens,now that Kimi will be at Renault might get another chance????
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courtesy a team of mechanics incapable of a decent steering column modification.
"It is alleged"

I also noted Villeneuve's comments at the weekend - "In your 40's you don't lose speed.." I am pretty certain that in the right car MS can still compete.

I hope Kimi has machinery capable of letting him unleash his unquestionable talent. As for Webber, nobody on here really believes that RBR will let him challenge for a title do they? really?? When you have a young driver and a team with the potential to smash every record in the F1 book?? Naaaa, not buying that.. Next you'll be telling me F1 is not political these days
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The cause of the accident has been identified as a steering column failure. Many court cases followed immediately afterwards and the judgment went on for years, with Williams being investigated for manslaughter. The last word from the Italian Court of Appeal was on 13 April 2007. In verdict no. 15050, the Court ruled thus: "It has been determined that the accident was caused by a steering column failure. This failure was caused by badly designed and badly executed modifications. The responsibility of this falls on Patrick Head, culpable of omitted control". Patrick Head was not arrested; in Italy the statute of limitation for manslaughter is 7 years and 6 months, and the final verdict was pronounced 13 years after the accident.[74] Despite Formula One regulations, the Williams-Renault team was allowed to extract Senna's black boxes from the wreck of his FW16 once it returned in the pitlane, only for them to be returned completely bereft of any telemetry, despite no external damage. Had Senna's death been declared immediately, under Italian Law, the wreckage would have had to have been immediately impounded and the race event suspended. Instead, the Imola Grand Prix proceeded, with drivers being advised of Senna's condition only at the end of the race.[citation needed]'
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and if AN designs another class winning car for Red Bull then Webber at the end of his F1 career is in with a chance.
AN designed a class winning car for this season and SV simply waltzed away totally unchallenged from not only all the other teams but his own team mate as well. The same car but light years between the drivers in ability so not sure how thats going to radically change between now and the start of next season

McLaren will no doubt be wondering what the future holds but the one thing they will be comforted by is that they have two F1 champions at the wheel and if they can find the power and speed to compete with Red Bull it would be a very foolish person who thinks that either JB or LH cannot go on and win another title
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Light years in results between Vettel and the rest of the field not just Webber and JB could not even catch SV when SV had a problem with his gear box.

The main difference I can see as well as most is that Webber is clearly the number 2 driver in team Vettel whereas Lewis is not yet still could not do better than fifth where his less fancied and rumoured to be less paid and older team mate came second.That skill and ability is obvious with his new contract with McLaren.

To give credit where it is due McLaren has never given Lewis better equipment than it has given JB but JB has done the better job.

I doubt McLaren would take off a new and improved front wing from Buttons car and give it to Lewis.

I think this year it's obvious that Webber has been told if he wants a seat at RB then he has to play second fiddle to SV and that has definitely had an effect on his driving whereas that is not the case with McLaren but JB has risen to the challenge and proven that he can do the job better and more consistently than Lewis with the same equipment.
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it would be a very foolish person who thinks that either JB or LH cannot go on and win another title
Any team with a competitive car to that of Red Bull and that would include Ferrari with Alonso as well as Mercedes would be in the game but I think that unless Lewis gets his act together it is more likely that it would be JB that will take the fight to Red Bull.

I did think that the overtaking move by Alonso around the outside of JB was the move of the race.Absolutely brilliant.

God help the others if Alonso is given a half decent car.I just wish that Alonso would give Webber some lessons on how to start a race.
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Old 29th Nov 2011, 13:50   #9 (permalink)
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Wonder who the other Renault driver is going to be?
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Money talks.. as usual.. this is F1.
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Light years in results between Vettel and the rest of the field not just Webber and JB could not even catch SV when SV had a problem with his gear box
Despite being in an identical car MW could not catch SV all season long and even then not UNTIL he had a gearbox problem in the last race

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To spice things up in 2012, they should put Webber in the Merc and Schumacher in the Red Bull.

Schumacher needs something to gee him up, or prove that (as I suspect) he just aint giving it 100%.

...and if only because I need something (anything!) worth watching. I miss F1, but it's unwatchable in the present format.
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Captain Charisma is joining Renault
Looks like Williams have stuffed it up yet again

Official: Kimi returns to F1 with Renault | Planet F1 | Formula One News

What is it with Williams that they either don't hold onto decent drivers or can't get them to sign on the line?


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Kimi probably met that c**t Adam Parr and decided he didn't want to drive for any team that employs that level of scumbag as a CEO or what ever title it holds....

Re the Senna steering column, speaking with someone who made some of them, when he questioned the shit design of the weld joints ( a butt weld, no rosettes, nothing ) the asshole who drew it told him to " piss off and make what I've drawn................"
The column design was flawed at conception.

In a later interview ( I think it was AN ) commented that, in hindsight, the overview
of component design was lacking in their design process at that time.
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That'll please LH . . .

Jenson Button will race in 2012 with the number three on his car after finishing ahead of McLaren team-mate Lewis Hamilton, who has been allocated a number four in the official entry list for next season.
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Renault, who have signed up Raikkonen for 2012, have given driver Vitaly Petrov until 10 December to decide whether to stay with the team. His manager Oksana Kosachenko said she would fly to Britain on Wednesday for negotiations with team bosses, but said she was also talking to two other teams.
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BBC Sport - Williams confirm Pastor Maldonado to stay for 2012 season
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Spanish woman racer Maria de Villota has an agreement to be the Lotus (formerly Renault) team's reserve driver next season. "Really it's just a matter of the contract being signed, but all parties agree," she said.
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Just as well the teams push the cars backwards into the garage, isn't it?
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