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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 11:17   #2761 (permalink)
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Yes probabely, I just thought your post was funny with the good economy and collapsing economy comparison.
This thread is really entertaining anyway and many different ways.


My post above for example: saying Hollande was communist as an excuse to join Poutin hahahahahaha!!! I don't come enough to this thread, I forgot how much it could be entertaining!

And you know what? Gerard Depardieu is one of the most well paid actor in the world (don't jump on me, I didn't say the most, but one of the most, you guys jump on anything like starving people and you are able to come up with a google quote after me), he is even more paid than many famous hollywood actor, and he is known only in France! And he is complaining? Please move to Russia!
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 11:21   #2762 (permalink)
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They already changed his wikipedia page:
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Gérard Xavier Marcel Depardieu (French pronunciation: [ʒeʁaʁ dəpaʁdjø] ( listen); born 27 December 1948) is a Russian-French actor and filmmaker
[...] In 2013, Vladimir Putin offered Russian citizenship to Gerard Depardieu.
Man that was fast!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%A9rard_Depardieu
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 11:34   #2763 (permalink)
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and he is known only in France!
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 11:53   #2764 (permalink)
 
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KAG, please don't portray me as a "lover of the British and a hater of the French". I left the United Kingdom in 1968 and since then have only visited the island for a few days each year. On the other hand, since 1990 I have been in the Republic of France at least one day in every month, and I work in Paris several times a year, so I know France and the French people very well - can you say the same ? Indeed, if I could afford to, I would buy an apartment in Paris and take up permanent residency there.

However I pride myself on having a detached view of Europe which is nevertheless based on living here - something missing from your CV.
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Old 3rd Jan 2013, 12:00   #2765 (permalink)
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Well, I am coming back to Europe, you will have to change your argument in the future, get ready

I went to Spain many times, I like this country... Last time I checked the appartments in Barcelona and couldn't believe the price!
Living in Paris is definitely a good choice, a bit expensive though to buy.
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Reasons why in 1975 I voted in FAVOUR of the UK being part of the E.E.C. [remember that organisation]

I worked (still work) in the international transport industry. being part of the EEC would mean that :
(a) trade would increase (more work for me)
(b) the movement of goods within the EEC would become quicker, simpler (reduced or even no documentation etc at ports) and cheaper and volumes would increase (more work for me)
(c) 50 million Brits would be buying non-British EEC goods but 175 million non-British EEC people would be buying British goods (more work for Britain)
(d) 'open skies' in the EEC would mean my carrier would not be restricted to a tiny home market (more job security for me)
(e) "EEC technical standards" would make it easier for the EEC to trade with itself, meaning even more incentives for manufacturing to enter other EEC markets, meaning even more trade increase meaning even more work for me (think of the overtime !!)

THE EURO
Brilliant idea... as orginally mooted it was going to be Germany, Denmark, Austria, BeNeLux & France and these countries (rather less for France) were in lock-step currency-wise so merging the financials under a single currency made a great deal of sense. Then they let in everyone else ????????

WHY I SO DISLIKE THE EU

I have to have the EU blue & stars flag on all my documents.
I have to pay extra for my life insurance, my car insurance, my gas, water, electricity, my refuse disposal, indirectly everything is EU-taxed because of "carbon credits". I can't buy sausages in Lbs (but I can buy 454 grammes) I can't sell beer in pints, I can't buy cheap cucumbers which are a bit deformed, I find lots of odd things are controlled by an unelected outfit in Brussels and they seem to be controlling my life & I can't vote them out. My pension got screwed up (I would have made the magic 40+ years with the company but EU regulations meant pension age reduced to 63 for men increased to 63 from 60 for women). All British jobs seem to go to EU immigrants (a.o.) all British housing goes to EU immigrants, all my taxes go to pay for EU immigrants claiming social security, we can't deport EU immigrant criminals. The EU doesn't buy British goods and "British" manufacturing is fast disappearing to cheap countries in the EU (eg HP sauce, "York" fruit jellies)
oh gawd the list just goes on and on and on

So to hell with the EU and let's get out of the whole darned thing. And remember - we buy more from you than you buy from us.... So "open trade" but that's it.

As for the basket case that is the Euro - bring it back to the original few countries and it will work.

EDIT TO CLARIFY MY COMMENT ABOUT FRANCE & THE EURO
completely from memory & absolutely no checking whatsoever, but somewhere around 50% of the smaller countries' GDPs were linked in one way or another to the German economy (but obviously not the other way around...) whilst the French economy had a considerably smaller linkage into the German economy. Ergo the start point for the Euro should have been Germany & the smaller countries, maybe also France, but certainly France as at least stage 2. Thereafter countries could join up on merit.

But that's not wot append ...

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Old 7th Jan 2013, 15:04   #2767 (permalink)
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Four pages of personal warfare deleted. Take the hint or lose the thread!
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 15:11   #2768 (permalink)
 
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Well done!
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 16:42   #2769 (permalink)
 
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Four pages of personal warfare deleted. Take the hint or lose the thread!
Whilst I agree with the action in itself, why should the thread and the forum itself be penalised? Perhaps a few of the usual suspects here simply need reminding that membership of PPRuNe is a privilege and not a right.

Surely those who constantly adopt the keyboard warrior/playground bully approach can be dealt with in ways which do not impact the majority? Persona non grata status for a few days to cool off perhaps?

Just a thought...
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 16:47   #2770 (permalink)
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That's what I usually do AZ, but it's useful to do the "nasty schoolmarm" act occasionally, because you frequently find that the other members keep the people who should be on the naughty step in line.
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 16:59   #2771 (permalink)
 
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At first I thought that old Depardieu was being a prat but then had to consider that he is protesting against a president who wishes to levy a 75% income tax.
I'm probably too much of a patriot to be so publicly disrespectful to my own country - even with a Socialist c-c-countryman like Hollande in charge.

No one seen 'The Return of Martin Guerre'?
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 17:12   #2772 (permalink)
 
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In reality, Basil, he was being a prat as instead of just doing what others have done and move out quietly he decided to go for the full dummy spit to gain maximum publicity.

What he has done is take attention away from the numbers that are "moving out", all the talk has been about one man (and Putin taking the chance to get his face in the press after Belgium told Depardieu he would not get a "fast track" passport like he wanted) which has taken the exodus out of the press. In a way, said dummy spit has actually helped Hollande as Depardieu has made those "with" look like spoiled brats instead of the proposal to tax the daylights out of them whilst Hollande takes the country into more debt looking as narrow-minded and stupid as it actually is.

As I said, Hollande has to think a bit, for every person that moves out takes all his taxes with him. And with the top 10% contributing 26% of taxes that is something that cannot be lost if the country is to move forward.
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 17:34   #2773 (permalink)
 
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And with the top 10% contributing 26% of taxes that is something that cannot be lost if the country is to move forward.
It's not just the tax that they contribute, it's that they are the drivers of the economy, providing employment opportunities for others, whose jobs will be lost, putting them on 'chômage' and further depleting the pot ....... classic 'vicious circle'.

Brigitte Bardot is apparently threatening to leave too but I believe that is something to do with donkeys, however she will no doubt take substantial assets (and I only mean money!) with her.
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 17:39   #2774 (permalink)
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Bet you wouldn't have said that 50 years ago!
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 17:43   #2775 (permalink)
 
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Well, tableview, at the moment we can only concentrate on the personal taxes that could go elsewhere as suddenly closing businesses and moving them elsewhere just because of the proposed tax isn't something that is truly viable because of all the costs involved, and there ain't been a lot of reports of businesses being moved abroad because of the "rich barsteward tax". After all, if your business is viable and making a profit why change that over your personal taxes?

Not saying it won't happen, just that it doesn't seem to be happening just now.
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Old 7th Jan 2013, 18:02   #2776 (permalink)
 
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I know of three people who ran businesses in France who have closed them down in the last few months. That may be a drop in the ocean, or even not representative across the board, but it says something. And I know others who will soon be doing the same.

I also know that several professors at a major business school are about to leave and head for the Far East as taxation is too high and because the business environment does not lend itself to trying to motivate people to run businesses in France or on French lines.

A message to those who think France has a viable future under Tovarish Hollande :

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Old 7th Jan 2013, 18:23   #2777 (permalink)
 
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As I said, Hollande has to think a bit, for every person that moves out takes all his taxes with him.
Incorrect Hb.

French taxation works on the basis of the "centre of your economic existence " i.e. where you earn your living, so if all/most of your revenue is made in France, they will tax you even if you live in Belgium/Russia etc.

In order to escape whatever the new income tax will be, GD will have to stop earning an income in France, unsure what happens to profits/dividends.

Lots of the "escapees" like the biggest fish, Bernard Arnault of LVMH, make a point of saying they will continue to pay income -tax in France but remain silent about the wealth-tax and potential death-taxes.

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Old 7th Jan 2013, 18:39   #2778 (permalink)
 
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I was simplifying things, and those who "have" can easily find a way around the tax laws via various means. Ultimately, the country loses revenue no matter what, and that could be a substantial amount given the "10% pay 26%".

And TV, how many of these businesses you mentioned are being relocated PURELY over the proposed 75% personal tax rate?
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And TV, how many of these businesses you mentioned are being relocated PURELY over the proposed 75% personal tax rate?
None, because it affects so few people that it is almost an irrelevancy. That is not really the point. The point is that France is an incredibly costly and difficult place in which to do business, with so many barriers that even many French prefer to set up their businesses in the UK. It is not so much the income tax but rather the very high social charges, the complicated and inefficient bureaucracy, and the wealth tax. I think people are realising now that the fat days are over and it's time to move on.
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Indeed TV and what with the capacity to trade across the EU without barriers it, of course makes financial sense to relocate to a location which is more tax efficient.

when we purchasing one of the cars we bought the year before last we ended up routing out to a car dealer slap bang in the middle of nowhere, a village of about six houses and his garage, and as we got talking I asked him why he was located in b** f*** nowhere, and he explained that he shut down his garage in a town area and moved as it was cheaper in overheads.. he then went on to say how a dealer he knows in the north london area with a typical parade of shops type garage, nothing special was being hit on 30K rates/tax..

now if a dealr gets lucky and makes a grand a car, thats just shy of a car a week he has to sell, just to pay the tax, that before rent, electricity, staff, even buying stock...

of course, being a car dealer he's not really able to relocate to another EU nation, but the point is that taxation is crippling business.

but we know this...

and yet many complain about austerity.. but without it the taxes have to be raised driving more business out of business..

but we know this...

the problem of course is that when governments were borrowing money hand over fist, they gave no thought to repayments or how the debt was to be managed, now if we mutliply this accross the EU member states we can easily understand how we are up the proverbial creek..

times of fat ? there wasn't one.. it was a time of false fat, predicated on one thing debt and borrowing.

no we are stuck with the consequences, and some of the problems could have been reduced had the politicians heeded the warnings that were given.

to put it mildly the politicians have got their economies both nationally and in several positions across the EU into coffin corner.
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