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Old 26th Aug 2011, 19:39   #1 (permalink)
 
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Tech (auto) problem solving

OK, light Friday evening entertainment. Here in the UK, a retired friend has a non-pc but very well cared for Range Rover 4.6 HSE. However, it developed a fault in that it would regularly discharge its (new) battery after 2 nights in his garage. Trips to auto electicians/workshops failed to reveal anything, meters, alternators, etc nothing discharging.
So what was it? and I have a bonus question for the correct solution.
(No giigling!) but I reckon JB folk are a breed apart
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 19:56   #2 (permalink)
 
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Plucked nostril hair shorting out the fag lighter?
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Glove box light switch failure ?
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 20:02   #4 (permalink)
 
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My Father's BMW has a similar problem. Caused by the alarm and some of the background electronics.
It is a problem made worse by the poor battery.
It was only 12 months old.

Battery replaced and problem not quite solved but in a liveable equilibrium.

Check that the battery is good and that it is being properly charged in the first place. As all the electtrickery bit will drain the battery.
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 20:04   #6 (permalink)

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Not leaving the gear shift in 'Park'?
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 20:05   #7 (permalink)
 
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Battery internally shorting - replace the new battery

alternately,

replace car with suitable Japanese manufactured unit.
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 20:05   #8 (permalink)
 
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OK, quick thread, and I guess Mr Lid has been researching.
Electronic smog is indeed the answer, his newly installed weather station was sending 1 minute humidity readings over air, they in turn were trying to activate his central locking ..

For a real prize, what specific item caused my Ferrari owning friend's alarm to activate around three times a year?
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 20:21   #9 (permalink)
 
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A riced-up Impreza driving past?
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 14:28   #10 (permalink)
 
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For a real prize, what specific item caused my Ferrari owning friend's alarm to activate around three times a year?

Squeaky bedsprings when making love to his wife (as opposed to his girlfriend ?)
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 15:21   #11 (permalink)

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Hope they've solved it before I pick up my new Evoque
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 15:29   #12 (permalink)
 
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The Memsahib's VW Polo had the same problem.
We'd got a new battery from Halfords due to previous
one leaking.
The NEW battery also leaked!!!!
Took it back and got another one. That's been fine, up to now!!!

Thorough wash carried out under the bonnet!!!!
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 17:39   #13 (permalink)
 
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Greasing the (metal) battery compartment or putting in a plastic liner isn't a bad idea for those who still have car batteries filled with liquid.
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 17:50   #14 (permalink)
 
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If the receiver for the central locking wasn't such a crap one (but they ALL are!) the central locking would probably not have noticed. So that the system can be as cheap as muck, the receivers are around 700kHz wide and the transmitters are somewhere in that bandwidth. This actually led to German car manufacturers attempting to get all other Short Range Devices (SRD) banned from the 433 MHz frequency range. They did get somewhat short shrift on that at the CEPT (European Conference of Posts and Telecommunications) committee.

Some 20 years back, I worked in the group that made a load of the integrated circuits for them. The car manufacturers just refused to pay for anything but the minimum performance - they were even upset when the use of superegeneritive receivers (which radiate interference like the clappers) were banned.

Might be some fun round Weymouth during the Olympics - there will be some transmissions on the frequency during the sailboat racing.
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 18:22   #15 (permalink)
 
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On my beemer it was the "final stage resistor". A french made part (Valeo) that caused massive amounts of trouble. It was a simple part to swap out. Check that the ventilation fans aren't constantly blowing - a simple bit of toilet tissue "blowing in the wind" over the air vents, after everything is switched off will tell you quickly if it's the rouge part.
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 20:11   #16 (permalink)
 
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On my beemer it was the "final stage resistor".
Exactly the same thing on my mate's BMW. It was slightly more subtle because it did its thing intermittently after he'd checked everything was off and locked the car up. Only discovered what was happening after he'd linked up a recorder overnight to monitor the voltage/current draw.

On my wife's Clio the overnight battery drain was traced to a worn through ignition circuit wire intermittently shorting out against a metal brake pipe. bit of tape and some cable ties sorted that one out!
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 20:24   #17 (permalink)
 
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a simple bit of toilet tissue "blowing in the wind" over the air vents, after everything is switched off will tell you quickly if it's the rouge part.
Only if you use pink toilet paper
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Old 28th Aug 2011, 10:25   #18 (permalink)
 
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I didn't mention that the unlocking/locking radio receiver shouldn't draw any more than 5 milliamps. That means (if it hasn't any current saving circuitry built in) it should take 8 days and 16 hours to deplete the battery by 1 amp-hour.
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Old 28th Aug 2011, 13:43   #19 (permalink)
 
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Turning off the RKE (Remote Keyless Entry) receiver isn't usually easily possible. Bit self defeating, too.
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Has anyone suggested boot light?
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