Pakistan is the source of the most violent hatred. I'm fairly certain at some point the showdown will occur.
I, too, favor the cutting off of all assistance and holding Pakistan to account. Their people and government have been duplicitous, their madrassas produce the world's footsoldiers of murder, they send their emissaries of violence worldwide, from India to the United Kingdom. They have developed and proliferated nuclear weapons and technology. Pakistan contributes little to the world, and nothing to peace.
Pakistan, Iran and Palestine are today's axis of evil. Syria is only a sidekick. North Korea is a desperate, starving irrelevancy. Iraq now threatens no one.
I hope the demise of Osama Bin Laden marks a turning point in the battle against Islamist ideology, and that we seize the opportunity as the Crescent is reeling in upheaval, and that similar victories lie ahead in the near and long future.
Today, a BBC reporter visited a Northern British town which has a significant percentage of residents of Asian origin, though many born in the UK. He visited the offices of the taxi company, where almost all were locally-born men of Pakistani parentage, and, without exception, these men criticised the actions of the Americans and the assassination of OBL.
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I can't figure it out. We welcomed the immigrants from the Indian sub-continent in the middle of the last century and, by and large, they settled in well. Where would the corner shop be if it wasn't for them.
But somehow their kids seem to have gone off the rails. Why would you want to harm the country that has given you protection? Where are the women of this culture? Why aren't they keeping their men in check? Do they really want to give up the gains of a western secular society to go back to the dark ages?
Enoch was, I'm sorry to say, right. There will be "rivers of blood" in the UK in the not too distant future - and it ain't gonna be the militant muslims that will eventually come out on top.
Where are the women of this culture? Why aren't they keeping their men in check?
Well their back to front, everyone knows in western culture its the women who wears the pants in the family (known as "she who must be obeyed"), and they only let us think we are the boss to satisfy our primitive desires. Ain't so I think in their culture, one gets out of hand, you get yourself another one, standard dived and conquer scenario.
I'd put Saudi Arabia bang at the top of this list.
Seems we, the West that is, will court the devil in our quest for oil and will have to contend with far worse than Bin Laden when the whole house of cards, complete with Arab violence, resentment and contempt, comes crashing down.
Never let it be forgotten that BL's (from Saudi Arabia remember) animus came from what he perceived was a US "occupation" of the Arabian peninsular and the Muslim's holy of holies.
Correct me if I am wrong but all this s**t kicked off as a result of 9/11. The alleged bombers on board the aircraft were all from Saudi Arabia, yet we invaded Afghanistan and Iraq, why was that? We routed the Taliban (those people we put in there to fight the Russians remember?) from Afghanistan (a country at the time with almost zero production of opium), and they had nowhere to run to but Pakistan. The Pakistani's really didn't want these nutjobs taking over their territories but they are doing, and the Pakistani government is not capable of dealing with the pile of crap we dumped on their doorstep. We have created a much more frightening scenario now, with the Taliban thinking 'f**k Afghanistan, we quite like it here in Pakistan, and if we take over this place we get nukes as a bonus Allah Akbahr'
The enemy were all from Saudi Arabia, so why did we not hold Saudi Arabia responsible?
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" We welcomed the immigrants from the Indian sub-continent in the middle of the last century and, by and large, they settled in well. Where would the corner shop be if it wasn't for them."
Erm, I would like to shatter this misconception...we ( the UK ) " welcomed" these immigrants with the same insularity and bigotry that is a well established facet of "being British"...but we don't like to say so in public of course....and we "welcomed" them as a source of cheap and exploitable labour.
The odd race riot duly ensued ...not surprising really....and, whilst integration over several generations has developed, there are still enough radicals from ALL sectors who would prefer otherwise.
As for Pakistan in the current climate, whilst I make NO excuse for it's duplicity and harbouring of terrorists, lets not forget the country has always had a turbulent history from when it was formed in a manner straight out of "Blackadder" ie Eton and Harrow meets General Melchett.."so, we'll draw a line between here and here..those on one side, Pakistan, those on the other India..there, that's sorted that then...another G n T before dinner old chap?"...not quite that simple, but not far short.
But does anybody really believe the West can control and influence the region as a whole after how many attempts over the centuries ?...not a cat in hellls chance.
BandAide Quote: I fear you are forgetting Israel, or at least its government. No forgetting involved. Isreal clearly does not belong in that group, as any objective observer would conclude.
Only an ignorant person makes statements like that. The rise of terrorism began with the creation on Israel. Read objectively and the answer is clear.
Extremism in Pakistan is sponsored by the wahabi kingdom of Saudi arabia who in turn is in alliance with the USA.
Q1. Why would you want to harm the country that has given you protection? A1. a) Because the jobs that attracted their parents are gone and unemployment is rife and b) They are caught between two worlds and are easily radicalised.
Q2. Where are the women of this culture? A2. In the kitchen
Q3. Why aren't they keeping their men in check? A3. Because in their culture they're subservient and are not permitted to oppose male decisions.
Q4. Do they really want to give up the gains of a western secular society to go back to the dark ages? A4. Yes.
The enemy were all from Saudi Arabia, so why did we not hold Saudi Arabia responsible?
There was talk of a class action against the kingdom by some of the relatives of the victims of 9/11. I recall this was quietly swept under the carpet with their million dollar payouts from the US government.
Pakistan is a highly complex country, nigh on impossible to govern. Many commentators have predicted its demise over the years, however it has proven to be remarkably resilient in the face of some serious challenges.
The enemy were all from Saudi Arabia, so why did we not hold Saudi Arabia responsible ?
Because, Henry, the president of the USA at that time had strong financial ties to the Kingdom.
Casting about for a substitute guilty party to present to the citizens of the USA - to the vast majority of whom all "arab" countries are alike - he found Saddam Hussein, faked up some evidence (with the help of Tony Blair Esq.) and destroyed him and his country - "Mission Accomplished !"
Returning for a moment to the original post before the thread is locked, the way forward is clear. Any country that can afford to develop nuclear weapons does not need financial aid from us. One should immediately exclude the other.
flyhardmo - I am bound to ask, are you smoking, drinking or both?
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The rise of terrorism began with the creation on (sic) Israel. Read objectively and the answer is clear.
Quoting yourself: "Only an ignorant person makes statements like that."
Even the most rabid anti-Semitic would have trouble endorsing your very tenuous links between terrorism and Israel.
The Middle East has been tribal for thousands of years, nothing has changed, Iraq is a fine modern example of the tribal system at work, over and above the various different religious sects at work.
Israel wants to be left alone in peace, parts of the Arab and Iranian world want to see Israel removed from the map. Pick the aggressors.
Israel wants to be left alone in peace, parts of the Arab and Iranian world want to see Israel removed from the map
Certainly an over-simplification, and arguably an untruth. There are many who see the Israelis as the aggressor. The reality is that there will never be peace there, it's the old 'he started it....' 'no I didn't ..he did ....' and there really is no resolution.
This is nothing to do with anti-Semitism. Don't confuse the issues.
. Ain't so I think in their culture, one gets out of hand, you get yourself another one, standard dived and conquer scenario.
