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Old 9th Mar 2011, 22:52   #41 (permalink)
 
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Lon,

Rangers fans turned up en mass in Manchester a couple of seasons back, not the same happy go lucky outcome that you experienced as I recall

As regards my Roermond faux pas


1978 - Bomb defused at Rheindahlen.
1979 - Four hurt after a bomb was planted under an army bandstand in Brussels.
1980 - British soldier out jogging at Osnabruck army base is shot and injured.
1987 - The IRA said it carried out the bombing at the Rheindahlen army base.
1988: Three RAF men died in attacks in Roermond and Nieuw Bergen, Netherlands.
Nine men hurt in bombing at Glamorgan Barracks, Duisberg, Germany.
Three Royal Engineers injured in blast in Dusseldorf, Germany.
British soldier killed by gunmen in Ostend, Belgium.
1989: 150kg Semtex device found next to dormitory block at Quebec barracks.
Corporal Steven Smith killed by car bomb in Hanover.
Col Islania and his six-month-old baby shot dead at filling station in Wildenrath, Germany, near Dutch border.
1990: Two Australian tourists were mistakenly gunned down in Roermond, in the Netherlands.
1996 - Mortar attack on Osnabruck army base, the second IRA bombing at the barracks, which is home to Britain's Desert Rats.


I served at Bruggen in the early 80's and Laarbruch in the early 90's so I must apologise if one of my recollections is not as accurate as I would like
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Old 9th Mar 2011, 23:49   #42 (permalink)

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Seldom Since 1974 i have lived about 15k South of Roermond and have spent a fair amount of time on and around the camps ( i was closely associated with Clutch Radar and later Lippe) so can also recall most of those incidents, and more.
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Tarman - Noted. The Nothern Ireland debacle was centred around Lennon saying he wanted a United Ireland team, and a loyalist paramilitary threatening his life.

I stand corrected.
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I see Lennon's been handed a 4 match touchline ban and McCoist has been banned for 2 matches. That SFA really knows how to act tough, those guys must be reeling after that draconian punishment
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Old 10th Mar 2011, 23:27   #45 (permalink)
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IJM - With respect, you readily admit you have never been to an old firm game, trust me, having been to a few derbies involving clubs who hate each other, there is nothing that reaches the intensity of the hatred surrounding an old firm game.. and it runs deeper than a bit of a naughty chant or a bit of a ruck with the boys in blue.. Anyway, usually the old firm fans are bright enough to avoid messing with Strathclyde's finest. I recall one European night when a policeman on horseback rode his horse through a crowd of visiting fans trying to enter the ground, to which a few of them protested with "Oi watch out mate..!!" The Officer on the horse leaned over and said "What do I look like? A f***ing London Bobby? I'm the Glesca Polis.. F*** off!" Priceless.
Flyt3est - not sure what point you are trying to make to me? I don't doubt that the OF game is very intense, but I wasn't saying that the Rome derby was more intense, or a better/worse experience than the Glasgow one. In any case, is there any worth in comparing the intensity of the various rivalries between different clubs?
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List of SPL winners in the last 12 years

R-R-C-C-R-C-R-C-C-C-R-R

What they need is a third team that will beat the ing daylights out of both Celtic and Rangers. The moment the world stops revolving about just Rangers and Celtic, they will sober up.

Case in point Australia in cricket. Ask cricket fans in India and Pakistan about tensions in the 90s v/s now.
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 03:23   #47 (permalink)
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The moment the world stops revolving about just Rangers and Celtic, they will sober up.
Bombay! Oh Bombay! How innocent!
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Even if Falkirk won the SPL every year, Rangers and Celtic games would still be the same.
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You only have to go the short trip across the sea from Scotland to Ireland to see just how well Catholics and Protestants get on. There may well be some new love going round but there is a deep seated hatred that will probably take 3 generations or more to breed out
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Old 11th Mar 2011, 12:21   #50 (permalink)
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You only have to go the short trip across the sea from Scotland to Ireland to see just how well Catholics and Protestants get on. There may well be some new love going round but there is a deep seated hatred that will probably take 3 generations or more to breed out.
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From the 12th century or so the English of one class or another did make that short trip with a view to "pacifying" Ireland. Normans, Tudors, then of course Cromwell and his merry men, and in the early 17th century came "the Plantations", which saw the lands of the O'Neill and O'Donnell confiscated to the extent of some 4,000 square km and also most of Antrim and Down used to settle Scottish and English "colonists". For "Scottish" read "Presbyterian" and for "English" read "Anglican" or "CofE". All jolly good. Teach them right!

The ungrateful natives were not so keen on all this. Wretches!

Came the famines, and lots of all of them emigrated to Scotland, England, and America. Scotland was nearest and so cheapest to get to. Liverpool of course picked up a delegation. Ailsa Craig used to be called "Paddy's Milestone", perhaps still is.

Their arrival coincided with the Industrial Revolution and the creation of slums, slum crowding, long hours, factory labour, and the beginning of association football. What more natural than for ra Proddies in theor off-hours to have "ra 'Gers" and ra P*p*es to have "ra Celts", and the respective tribal war-cries "F**k the P*p*!" and, as some wits suggest, "F**K the M*d*r*t*r of the G*n*r*l *ss*mbl* *f th* Ch*rch of Sc*tl*nd!".

They also had the "religious" gangs, and the awful shebeens and pubs. Do not sing "The Sash me Fayther Wore" or "Ra Battle o' ra Boyne" in the wrong environment or you will be "stitched". You may be stitched anyway. Oddly enough ra P*p* was sort of on Proddy side at the Boyne; but enough of that.

In reality, theological subtleties on both sides became blurred but the tribal elements remained: "Uz yins" and "Youse yins".

This is what we today call "multiculturalism".

That is how it has evolved over eight or nine hundred years. On what basis of reason, Seldom, you see any remote possibility that these differences will
ever be reconciled, or

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will probably take 3 generations or more to breed out.
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For my part I see no remote possibility that they will ever breed out.

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Cause of all the problems



Buckfast has become closely linked to the Scottish culture. Due to its notoriety, the drink has also entered the popular culture lexicon in Scotland leading to nicknames, such as "Wreck the Hoose Juice", "Commotion Lotion" and "Mrs. Brown".Other nicknames are "Bucky", "Lurgan Champagne", "Yak", "Buckshweng", "Devil's Water", "Tonic", "Toni- C", "Sauce", "Spice Weasel's Blood", "Bannside Brandy", "Stingy Pish", "Coatbridge Table Wine","Ton-Ton", and "Bo".

Buckfast Tonic Wine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Lots of Irish where I live, (Lancashire). Some of my best mates of Irish blood. I'm a proddy, they're catholic, no problem. Scots here also, again no problems.

BUT up in "Glasgey", well, they're all bloody lunatics. It's the "Bucky" !!!

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It's the "Bucky" !!!
Great! we can blame the bluddy English again!!

Maybe because there were fewer of them in Scotland i don't remember any problems back in the 1950s when the first Jamaican/Pakistani/Indians arrived. They seemed to blend in immediately. just like the Polish miners

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For my part I see no remote possibility that they will ever breed out.
Sadly I suspect you are right
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Bucky doesn't cause problems. It merely enhances the already inexcusable behaviour. If it wasn't Buckfast, it'd be something else. Blaming a drink for all of the problems is ignoring the fundamental, underlying cause. That Rangrs and Celtic fans are a bunch of idiots.

A tactical nuclear strike on either ground during an old firm derby would only benefit Scotland In the long run.
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Actually, Buckfast is fairly unique in containing bucketfuls of caffeine along with the industrial strength alcohol & sugar. Fairly, because Red Bull mixed is similar, but Red Bull is expensive, Buckfast isn't.

Bucky is the fuel, the driver is still the driver, but it would be a mistake to discont Buckfast in this, it's well documented that it pushes the nuttyness on.
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Old 12th Mar 2011, 07:37   #56 (permalink)
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Flytest, If Falkirk ever won the SPL, I would be a sledge salesman in hell. I was at the game with Cowdenbeath a few weeks back and while "The Bairns" won, the errors were more entertaining than the game.

To put some humour back into the thread, I recall that the first Protestant to play for Celtic asked if he was allowed to cross the ball
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Bucky doesn't cause problems. It merely enhances the already inexcusable behaviour. If it wasn't Buckfast, it'd be something else. Blaming a drink for all of the problems is ignoring the fundamental, underlying cause. That Rangrs and Celtic fans are a bunch of idiots.
Exactly. No Bucky = some other "tonic" wine or stuff like Mad Dog, Special Brew, Tennents Special, super strength cider, etc, etc, etc.

The saying "Instant Arsehole, just add alcohol" is never more true than in cases of "football fans", and is shown clearly by the mentality of some who "support" either team.


Oh, and if anyone doesn't believe that then explain why the figures for violence, especially domestic violence, is lower when there's a midweek Old Firm game. The answer is clear, there's a lower chance of the gadgies getting tanked up since they'll have work the next day so they don't end up the same influence of "wifebeater".
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Old 19th May 2012, 00:32   #59 (permalink)


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If you want to end this kind of thing, the only solution is forced integration of the schools, much as the USA did with the "bussing" of kids to create mixed-race schools
It'll take a few generations, but it'll work in the end
The same needs to be done in Northern Ireland. Religion should be banned from all schools: they should be totally secular and integration enforced
Same goes for these isolationist Muslim schools as well
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