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Old 6th Jan 2013, 23:20   #12441 (permalink)
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On April 22, 1971, Kerry became the first Vietnam veteran to testify before Congress about the war, when he appeared before a Senate committee hearing on proposals relating to ending the war. He was still a member of the United States Navy Reserve, holding the rank of Lieutenant Junior Grade.


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patriot senator kerry speaking truth to power in 1971.

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This seems like such an obvious point to bring up it's embarrassing.. but if you go in and smash up Saddam Hussein's government because you don't like it, it is a waste of time going straight home because they might just start another government you don't like.
Golly... Let me embarrass you then... If they started another government that had the same wishes and desires as the one that was removed we could have gone in and done the same thing all over again for far less loss of life than we did taking the course of "limited war" that you seem to be a proponent of. In fact, we could fight tens of wars in the vein we did without the subsequent hugging and still be better off in the lives lost column.

Afghanistan... Sigh... We can deny AQ any sensible use there with drones for f's sake... We don't need to be losing people willy nilly because of that group hug you seem so keen on.

As a once soldier ANY war fits my personal definition of a war. War, by definition, is nasty, very bloody nasty, something that clearly makes you cringe and cry. Anything else is a bit of "sport" engaged in by people who want to pretend to be rough and tough from the comfort of the White House, Downing Street or anywhere else.

As to the "military slaughtering their own men"... Did I mention war is very bloody nasty and despite our advances in weapons, communications and tactics, people are going to die... It is, after all, war.

You are exactly the sort of person I do not want as a poli were I going to war for you... Your lack of commitment to complete defeat of the enemy and your seeming desire to have a group hug and all around love in with the enemy would only get me and many others killed.
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Old 6th Jan 2013, 23:23   #12444 (permalink)

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I fully understand the reasoning behind the idea of the Electoral College. I also believe that the reasoning of the existence of the Electoral College is still valid in today's time, with one exception.

That exception is the winner take all in every state, bar one. I really am curious if there was no winner take all laws enforce in the remaining 49 (or 56) states, what the election results would have been.

I believe that the winner take all rule, that is in force now, actually defeats the primary reason behind the Electoral College. As technically, one single vote can have all of a state's Electoral College votes, go to only one candidate, despite the fact the state is actually nearly 50/50.

But what the hell, I'm an old fart, what the hell do I know.

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On NBC's Meet The Press in 1971, Kerry was asked whether he had personally committed atrocities in Vietnam. He responded:
“There are all kinds of atrocities, and I would have to say that, yes, yes, I committed the same kind of atrocities as thousands of other soldiers have committed in that I took part in shootings in free fire zones. I conducted harassment and interdiction fire. I used 50 calibre machine guns, which we were granted and ordered to use, which were our only weapon against people. I took part in search and destroy missions, in the burning of villages. All of this is contrary to the laws of warfare, all of this is contrary to the Geneva Conventions and all of this is ordered as a matter of written established policy by the government of the United States from the top down. And I believe that the men who designed these, the men who designed the free fire zone, the men who ordered us, the men who signed off the air raid strike areas, I think these men, by the letter of the law, the same letter of the law that tried Lieutenant Calley, are war criminals.
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In February 1972, after Kerry previously passed on an opportunity to run in another district, his wife, Julia bought a house in Worcester. Residence there would have required Kerry to run for Congress against an incumbent Democrat, Harold D. Donohue. Instead however, the couple rented an apartment in Lowell. The incumbent in that district, F. Bradford Morse, was a Republican who was thought to be retiring.
Counting Kerry, the Democratic primary race in 1972 had 10 candidates. One of these was State Representative Anthony R. DiFruscia of Lawrence. Both Kerry's and DiFuscia's campaign HQs were in the same building. On the eve of the September primary, Kerry's younger brother Cameron and campaign field director Thomas J. Vallely, both then 22 years old, were found by police in the basement of this building, where the telephone lines were located. They were arrested and charged with "breaking and entering with the intent to commit grand larceny", but the case was dismissed about a year later. At the time of the incident, DiFruscia alleged that they were trying to disrupt his get-out-the vote efforts. Vallely and Cameron Kerry maintained that they were only checking their own telephone lines because they had received an anonymous call warning that the Kerry lines would be cut.[61]
Although Kerry's campaign was hurt by the election-day report of the arrest, he still won the primary, narrowly beating state Representative Paul J. Sheehy. DiFruscia placed third. Kerry lost in Lawrence and Lowell, his chief opponents' bases, but placed first in 18 of the district's 22 towns.
In the general election, Kerry was initially favored to defeat the Republican candidate, former state Representative Paul W. Cronin, and an independent, Roger P. Durkin. A major obstacle, however, was the district's leading newspaper, the conservative leaning Sun. The paper editorialized against him. It also ran critical news stories about his out-of-state contributions and his "carpetbagging", because he had moved into the district only in April. Subsequently released "Watergate" Oval Office tape recordings of the Nixon White House showed that defeating Kerry's candidacy had attracted the personal attention of President Nixon.[62]
The final blow came when, four days before the election, Durkin withdrew in favor of Cronin. Cronin won the election, becoming the only Republican to be elected to Congress that November in a district carried by Democratic Presidential nominee George McGovern.
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Hmmm, so he appears before the Senate to lots of media attention as anti-war during the time the war was hugely unpopular.

Less than a year later he runs for Congress in a district heavily favored to go to a Democrat.




I'm sure it's a coincidence.
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Old 6th Jan 2013, 23:32   #12448 (permalink)
 
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Gentlemen

It is not about the flag.

Look at yourselves...


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Old 6th Jan 2013, 23:45   #12449 (permalink)
 
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AA,

Please, dry your panties.

If your world view is so blunted that you think it is a realistic scenario that the USA could simply decided to dive into Iraq every time they set up a Government they don't like then you're beyond help.

Most wars or conflicts are not won by just killing the enemy. You are naive for thinking that to be the case. Most conflict is one strand of a political strategy. Get over yourself and work out where we all fit in.
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I am of the opinion that Kerry should be confirmed as SecState.

Elections do have consequences and I am all for those being highlighted.

I look forward to the wailing and gnashing of (bad) teeth during Barry & Co.'s second term.

I don't think it will be to Europe's liking.

However, if I were Putin or the new Chinese Premier, I'd be hoisting a drink to this Administration.
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Actually I would rather not have Kerry as Secretary of State. He's a little long in the tooth for me. Bit of a hoedeedoe. I think somebody younger like Susan Rice would do a better job, but old cranks like McCain and drunks like the senator from South Carolina, ol "what’s his name", can't stop hating her for no real reason.

As far as future politics, no doubt the republican party will be in the extreme minority controlling nothing but some odd internet rhetoric.

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My panties are dry... And a bit frilly and lacy... I also like some stockings with a nice suspender belt. The feel is nice on my hairy legs...

You are a fairly typical, "war can be managed" civilian that has never even thought of being there on the ground.

PS: Don't tell me you flew in an Air Force... It hasn't been a "fighting" job for decades.
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Brick

They care not one wit for you, or an idiot, like me.


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Ha ha, yes I did fly in an Air Force as it happens.

War can be managed, it isn't always managed well, but unrestricted warfare doesn't really seem like a great idea.
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So Aircrew, you are gay. Well then I suppose....a...lol...is in order.
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I think somebody younger like Susan Rice would do a better job, but old
cranks like McCain and drunks like the senator from South Carolina, ol "what’s his name", can't stop hating her for no real reason.
And yet Barry threw her under the bus without blinking.

Heckuva leader...
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I'm of the opinion that Kerry being confirmed, is a foregone conclusion.

The Senate does not eat their own, they protect and promote their own. I predict that it will be one of the fasted confirmation hearings in history.
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Honour!


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Old 7th Jan 2013, 00:11   #12459 (permalink)

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Whoa there, time out and King's X.

Say what?????

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Reid said that the federal government was at the Gulf Coast “within days” of Katrina, but suggested it’s been two months since the people of New York received help.
But I thought all the Democrats and 99.9% of the media all said that Bush didn't even send a Band Aid to New Orleans for years after Katrina hit New Orleans.

So, were they lying then, or now?

Where's the outrage? Where are all the media expersts screaming about poor leadership from the White House?

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WASHINGTON -- Sen. Harry Reid told the Senate floor on Friday that Hurricane Katrina was “nothing in comparison” to Hurricane Sandy.
“The people of New Orleans in that area, they were hurt,” said Reid, the Democratic majority leader. “But nothing in comparison to what happened to the people in New England.”

Reid said that the federal government was at the Gulf Coast “within days” of Katrina, but suggested it’s been two months since the people of New York received help.
Sandy was the most costly natural disaster since Hurricane Katrina in 2005. The death total for Hurricane Katrina exceeded 1,800 fatalities and had over $80 billion in damages.
The House voted Friday to approve a $9.7 billion flood insurance bill, the first part of a Sandy recovery package that could hit $60 billion.
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Brick the President is a heck-of-a-leader, unlike anything the repubs have put up for centuries. He simply spared the nation another dirty filthy republican display of public hate and disloyalty.
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