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Old 29th Nov 2010, 08:21   #1 (permalink)
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Wikileaks - Julian Assange

In light of the actions of this guy, I put the question to you my learned colleagues..

"Julian Assange - Campaigner for the truth or just self gratifying, attention seeking and irresponsible ??"
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 08:28   #2 (permalink)


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My vote is for Campaigner for the truth.

If he wanted to be the other surely he would have gone into politics!

Comment of the day for me is Obama calling Cameron a lightweight. Pot & kettle comes to mind. Methinks that the yanks will lose a few friends/allies over this.

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When he publishes a series of leaks which embarrasses the Chinese or the Soviet (sorry Russian, Freudian slip) governments, I'll start believing he is a campaigner for truth and not just someone with an anti-American/Western agenda. But then as I imagine he's not partial to polonium in his polenta I don't suppose he'll be doing this any time soon.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 08:51   #4 (permalink)
 
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What he's doing goes to the heart of the debate about how much we should know of what is being done in our name by governments we elect to represent us. Personally, I think it's clear that governments can't function if every last statement, assessment & slight is laid bare for all to see, so in all, laudable aims, misguided in reality & this stuff is not much more than titilation & it's not particularly in the public interest to discover that some U.S. diplomatic wonk in Rome thinks that Berlusconi likes going on the razz a bit more than he ought.

The idea that the USA will lose allies over this is nonsense. The world will keep turning & governments will keep doing their thing.
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Well, it will be a dark day indeed in Washington if Azerbaijan & Latvia drop out of the coalition of the willing.
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W*k*leaks is a necessary window for the workers in the us gov who finds questionable stuff.
Mr Assange has attacked the windmills like a Don Quixote and is not likely to survive much longer. Hopefully his website will survive though...
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:00   #7 (permalink)
 
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In a age of instant communication where government representatives can be anywhere in the world within 24 hours what's the point of Embassies Ambassadors and diplomatic representatives actually in country?,what purpose do they serve? in the case of the UK the whole service just seems to be jobs for the boys,and a particular class of boys at that.
I may be wrong but I cant think of a single case where the pampered buggas have ever actually stopped a war.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:01   #8 (permalink)
 
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When he publishes a set of leaks against the Russians, Iranians, Chinese, Israelis etc, I have no doubt he will meet an unfortunate fatal accident relatively quickly.

The Americans may rely on words and diplomacy. Other countries are have less qualms about dealing with problems like this in a more permanent way!

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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:13   #9 (permalink)

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While the word septics was no doubt considered a jolly bit of slang in wartime Britain, WWII finished in 1945 most places.

Please debate this in an adult fashion and mind the RoE.

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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:13   #10 (permalink)
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I assume the guy is a journalist so his principles will be on the slack side and what he is,is of no consequence to me, people like him are in their tens of thousands waiting for the opportunity to publish anything that will get readers.
The big issue for me is the fact that it was so easy for the information to become available. I believe the embarrassment to the United States is far greater than to the other countries involved, how they allowed so many people to see the information makes them look like amateurs and will make it virtually impossible for their ambassadors and officials to have off the cuff , and possibly official,conversations with foreigners for years to come. Their enemies must think it is hilarious..
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:19   #11 (permalink)
 
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When governments interfere with our personal privacy we are told "If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear". As far as I'm concerned, the same applies in reverse.

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When he publishes a set of leaks against the Russians, Iranians, Chinese, Israelis etc, I have no doubt he will meet an unfortunate fatal accident relatively quickly.
But he has already started on the Chinese and Israelis with their computer hacking. Read the releases.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:28   #12 (permalink)
 
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Wikileaks has told us the following...

So called friendly countries spy on each other.
Politicians keep tabs on the personal lives and traits of their enemies and friends.
Some Arabs don't like other Arabs.
Hillary Clinton is only Liberal when it suits her.
Pakistan has dangerous nuclear material.
China is carrying out widespread web hacking as a national policy.
A number of foreign leaders are mad/bad/dangerous.
Some diplomats are...shock, horror...spies!

Wikileaks has "revealed" much more in a similar vein.

Tell you what Julian, get back to us with something new
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:29   #13 (permalink)

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if secrets are not printed in English, they won't get leaked by Wikileaks.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:31   #14 (permalink)
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My own thoughts centre around the irresponsible attitude towards government secrets.. Lets face it, stuff goes on in the world of national security which of course fuels interest to your average punter, but in terms of harsh realities, do we really need to know the intricacies of such activity?

Personally, I don't want to know what the security forces get up to, as long as they are doing their best to make sure we all travel safe and sleep safely in our beds, then thats fine by me, who am I to question such intelligence operations and decisions.

As for Mr Assange.. the phrase "He describes himself as a James Bond of cyber intelligence" says it all. He's a computer nerd, detached from reality.

Double tap - Goodnight. The Commies would do it..
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:35   #15 (permalink)
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Sitigeltfel - beautifully summed up.
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but in terms of harsh realities, do we really need to know the intricacies of such activity?
Yes, we do.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 09:58   #17 (permalink)
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I presume Assange's supporters wouldn't mind some mind reader publishing their private thoughts about their boss, their business deals, workmates, their wive's friends etc?

'Publishing for the good of all' is a long bow to draw, considering Assange has no control over the effects of his actions. At best, he may be motivated by a naive idealism - at worst it's prurient interest or just a need for publicity. Maybe Assange could talk to Greenpeace.
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I may be wrong but I cant think of a single case where the pampered buggas have ever actually stopped a war.
I have a theory that you'd never know, because there wasn't a war to tell you that they'd failed to stop it.

I don't think Assange is the problem. The problem is that there are people to whom state secrets have been entrusted, who think it's a nifty idea to betray the trust they were shown. Maybe they were right to do so.

In earlier times, instead of Wikileaks they'd have gone to some daily newspaper. Same difference, except for the breadth of access.
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Except that the government can serve a 'D' notice on the newspapers, of which Wikileaks would be no respecter.
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Whatever one may think about Mr Assange I am apt to think that the "truth" will set us free. I guess the question is, who's truth and what "freedom" really means.

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When he publishes a series of leaks which embarrasses the Chinese or the Soviet (sorry Russian, Freudian slip) governments, I'll start believing he is a campaigner for truth and not just someone with an anti-American/Western agenda. But then as I imagine he's not partial to polonium in his polenta I don't suppose he'll be doing this any time soon.
The leaks on the Russian government's links to organised crime will certainly ensure Mr Assange also appears on their polonium agenda.

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