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Old 20th May 2017, 01:52   #1361 (permalink)
 
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On the balance of probability, I would suggest that if Mr. Assange is taken into custody in the UK, he will be tried and sentenced for breaking his bail conditions and then in the interests of our close relationship, deported to the US to face his fate.

He would have been better off taking his chances in Sweden.
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Old 20th May 2017, 01:59   #1362 (permalink)
 
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deported to the US to face his fate.
Surely Obama has created a precedent with Chelsea Manning?

From a 35 year sentence to being pardoned. Perhaps Assange will just get the pardoned part?

Or perhaps not.
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Julian Assange's arrest a 'priority': Jeff Sessions
Attorney General Jeff Sessions remarks come amid reports that his office is preparing charges against Julian Assange.

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Old 20th May 2017, 03:02   #1363 (permalink)
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On the TV news here in Australia this morning's bulletin said stuff released by Wikileaks about the time Sweden announced they were stopping their investigation is very harmful to Western security. The USA could well change their position on Assange and seek extradition now.
If Assange should be sent back to Australia he will certainly get a hero's welcome from Sydney University students and professors as well as from the publicly funded broadcaster, the ABC, who will have him as a guest of honour on their weekly Questions and Answer programme, fully supported by the chairman, Tony Jones and a couple of other seriously left leaning personalities as well as a hand picked audience of young libertarians. Sadly that is the state of affairs in Australia today,
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I've got very mixed views about Assange and Wikileaks. I view Assange as a narcissist and generally unpleasant character, but I feel differently about Wikileaks. Despite some of the harmful stuff they've released, I think that, on balance, Wikileaks has done us all a favour, but making public some of the really underhand stuff that has been harmful to society.

There needs to be checks and balances that control how national security agencies go about their business, and it seems clear that governments have been wholly unable to apply those. My very limited experience of the security services is that they are always trying to push the boundaries of what is legal, often being extremely creative when it comes to making up justifications to cover up illegal, or immoral, acts, that are not in the overall public interest.

Sure, Wikileaks has gone too far several times, but we should remember that they don't do this for profit, they don't filter information and they don't pay people to give them it, either. In this respect, whatever they release is probably more accurate than anything in the media.
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Old 20th May 2017, 07:20   #1365 (permalink)
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Sure, Wikileaks has gone too far several times, but we should remember that they don't do this for profit, they don't filter information and they don't pay people to give them it, either. In this respect, whatever they release is probably more accurate than anything in the media.
Trouble is VP959, Wikileaks are totally unqualified to know what is safe, but embarrassing to release publicly, as oppose to what is highly sensitive and possibly fatal to some to release. Wikileaks idea of 'Need to Know' is release it all and be damned.
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Trouble is VP959, Wikileaks are totally unqualified to know what is safe, but embarrassing to release publicly, as oppose to what is highly sensitive and possibly fatal to some to release. Wikileaks idea of 'Need to Know' is release it all and be damned.
Agreed, but their philosophy from the start has been to never censor anything that they've been given, but to just make it accessible. Most of what they release is morally good, in my view, particularly the stuff that rarely makes the Western media headlines, like all the information released from states where communication is rigidly controlled.

If governments do not want Wikileaks to publish stuff, then they need to have higher ethical standards and better control of their data storage systems. The fact the the NSA could be hacked to release Eternal Blue, part of which was then used to create the worm that made the WannaCry ransomware so effective, is something that should be in the public domain. There's other stuff that shouldn't, but that's just collateral damage.
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If Assange should be sent back to Australia he will certainly get a hero's welcome from Sydney University students and professors as well as from the publicly funded broadcaster, the ABC,
The ABC that is now managed by former News Ltd minion Michelle Guthrie, handpicked protege of Rupert Murdoch? It's their ABC now.

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who will have him as a guest of honour on their weekly Questions and Answer programme, fully supported by the chairman, Tony Jones and a couple of other seriously left leaning personalities as well as a hand picked audience of young libertarians. Sadly that is the state of affairs in Australia today,
You mean there's people here who don't share your political views.? That IS a sad state of affairs.
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Old 20th May 2017, 12:25   #1368 (permalink)
 
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From what I saw, the stuff released by Wikileaks at the time of Assange's latest outburst was details of various CIA bits of malware, designed to run in Microsoft Word, across many different OS releases. Included were operating manuals and source code!
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Old 20th May 2017, 12:36   #1369 (permalink)
 
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It doesn't really matter if the Brits turns Assange over to the US or not. If they don't turn him over they will deport him back to Australia, and the Australian government won't think twice about complying with a US extradition request. Australia is much more of an American lapdog than the UK.
Assange's best bet would be to acquire Ecuadorian citizenship and relinquish his Australian citizenship before leaving the embassy. That way, he may get deported to Equador.
Who knows, maybe he could get himself assigned to the embassy staff and walk out with diplomatic immunity. Farfetched? Maybe, but l'm sure stranger things have happened.
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I have heard several commentators today say Sweden has dropped rape charges against Arse-ange.

This is not the case they have said there is little prospect of getting him to Sweden and therefore don't see any point in continuing with that.

Lots of his slavish supporters are now saying he innocent and should now be free to leave.
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Lots of his slavish supporters are now saying he innocent and should now be free to leave.
He IS free to leave. He can walk out of that door any time he likes.
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Old 21st May 2017, 01:29   #1372 (permalink)
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The ABC that is now managed by former News Ltd minion Michelle Guthrie, handpicked protege of Rupert Murdoch? It's their ABC now.
Obviously you haven't watched ABC Q&A for a while, years I would suggest. And yes, I do think that anyone who follows the hard left line in politics is seriously sad.
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Apparently he is porking Pamela Anderson inside his all expenses paid Ecuadorian hotel room.

Pamela Anderson hints at future with Julian Assange

Put that in your pipe Sweden and smoke it.
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Old 21st May 2017, 12:29   #1374 (permalink)
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Obviously been locked up to long, she is starting to get that Brigitte Bardot look.....
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Old 21st May 2017, 20:04   #1375 (permalink)
 
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Australia is much more of an American lapdog than the UK.
Hey, don't cut the Limeys short, they're excellent lapdogs.


Pam Anderson? He might want to strap a board to his @rse before venturing in lest he fall in and be lost forever.
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Old 22nd May 2017, 12:20   #1376 (permalink)


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Obviously you haven't watched ABC Q&A for a while, years I would suggest.
I don't watch it - I'm not interested in hearing from partisan hacks and blowhards from either side of politics.

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And yes, I do think that anyone who follows the hard left line in politics is seriously sad.
Tony Jones and the ABC are "hard left"? Too funny. You must be somewhere to the right of Piers Ackermann or Andrew Bolt to think that.

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