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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 18:53   #101 (permalink)
 
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One suspects that the touted wikileaks 'Bank' story may have been scooped.

Fed aid in financial crisis went beyond U.S. banks to industry, foreign firms
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 19:12   #102 (permalink)
 
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Just out of curiosity, could you expand a bit more why you were feeling this way about the personage !?
Tricky to say, I don't know how libel laws work on websites. I'll try:
Met him once at a party, he spent the entire time trying to hit on women. Single, with partner, married. Didn't matter. He had a holier-than-thou attitude that because of who he was he could do what he liked. Met him another time in a professional setting, and he was extremely unprofessional.

My overall impression of him was that he's an arrogant jerk who, whilst very clever, is still at the mental age of about 14.* He seems to want people to think he's an awesome guy, a hero who uncovers all the dirty secrets of the evil governments. In reality he's just a lonely geek who had a good idea for a website, and is using it to his every advantage.

*Although my mental age probably isn't much better, I've spent half the day playing with a lego rocket.
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 19:48   #103 (permalink)
 
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Looks like the Ecuadorians have reniged on their previous offer of sanctuary. Was made by a "minor official", said the President.
The Swedes have re-issued an arrest warrant.
Having second thoughts, Julian?
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 20:06   #104 (permalink)
 
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What's the betting he's already being considered for the next Nobel Peace Prize?
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Old 2nd Dec 2010, 21:10   #105 (permalink)
 
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One suspects that the touted wikileaks 'Bank' story may have been scooped.

Fed aid in financial crisis went beyond U.S. banks to industry, foreign firms
Yup, it's a standard trick when you're about to be shafted. Release the same information to 'on-side' journalists in as boring a watered-down format as you can, preferably including as many blue chip names as you can to spread the pain / make it look like an industrywide problem and, of course, include the promise of an investigation before others suggest doing so.

The would-be shafter is effectively robbed of his 'exclusive story' and the vast majority of the press will regards it as 'old news' and therefore not worth bothering about.

On a wider level, one thing this genius Assange seems to have forgotten is the value of exclusivity. By releasing more and more information on such a regular basis, he is most effectively denying the oxygen of publicity to the detail of the stuff he released only a few days ago, let alone last week or last month.

And because so many of the new 'revelations' are so utterly mundane, low-level and barely worthy of even a couple of column inches in a local newspaper, Assange is also devaluing his own brand. Bigtime! To the point that people will eventually think 'oh, it's just that obsessed nutter posting yet more of that inane drivel'

A case in point: Back in the Spring, when Wikileaks released footage of the helicopter gunship(s?) killing the Reuters camera crew in Baghdad, the whole world went ballistic, and for a long time, because it was a single 'incident' they could focus on, with no other media clutter to 'distract' them.

For a great many people, myself included, that was a very important revelation and one which deserved every ounce, column inch, pixel and download time of the publicity it received. 'You can't claim to be a democratic nation if you refuse to be accountable for your actions or deliberately hide evidence of wrongdoing / cock-ups / a gung-ho attitude' is my take on the principle.

In Wikileaks Assange had his very own golden goose but in trying to get it to produce too many eggs too quickly he is finding out they are no longer coming out pure and golden. Instead most are rather insignificant, definitely not shiny and many are covered in s....

Just my 2p worth

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Old 3rd Dec 2010, 01:37   #106 (permalink)
 
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Why is he a nob end? Because he does something you don't agree with?
No, it's simply because he is not acting in anyone's best interests but his own by encouraging people to commit crimes so his ego and bank balance can be massaged.

And, yes, you can bet his bank balance is growing exponentially now because of this, and that sort of self interest is what makes him a knob-end.
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And, yes, you can bet his bank balance is growing exponentially now because of this, and that sort of self interest is what makes him a knob-end.

By that logic, Haliburton is a 'knob end', as are many many other free enterprises.......Been having an argument with the old man.....What is it that he (Julian) is charged with by the US?? Is it disseminating confidential info? Guilty as charged for the New York Times as well then?? Because the New York Times release it second hand that is OK?

I am deeply troubled by the allegations [revelations maybe judging by the governmental reactions] of the, again already widely suspected thoughts that Al Qaeda (?) and other terrorist organisations are funded via Saudi Arabia??? Certainly most all of the Sept 11 guys were Saudi, and Julian has documents showing the US is aware that Bin Liner & Al Qaeda are financed by the Saudis??

Why Iraq? Why not Saudia Arabia?? If the US have that intelligence to hand, why is it that in 2008 I stood proudly in Paine field alongside Aussie Wedgtails awaiting (Awaiting a long time ) for completion alongside Saudi variants, thinking the Saudis are getting American hardware when teh Americans know the Saudis are supporting the very guys that perpetrated Sept 11

Its got me F$%ked............Perhaps a kindly republican or even american democrat can set me straight ????
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Old 4th Dec 2010, 00:04   #108 (permalink)
 
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Interesting article in the Guardian with Mr Assange explaining himself,
does not sound like the weird horny hacker that posters want to portray.
another article reports Rush Lindbergh announcing in one breath "string him up" and the next breath " this stuff is good and I want more of it". Maybe the messenger should not get shot ( or poison umbrella tip ).
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Old 4th Dec 2010, 00:31   #109 (permalink)

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What is it that he (Julian) is charged with by the US??
He is not being charged with anything by the US.
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Old 4th Dec 2010, 02:20   #110 (permalink)

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If diplomats (?) (question is for capabilities) behaved like responsible adults, there would be be no problems....when they behave like school children (no repercussions on responsible school children) they will reap their idiocies back at them. I despair for this world if we we put these jokers in charge. Roll on Wikileak.
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Next step by the authorities will be to make it a jailable offence to download Wikileaks. A bit like 'Kiddy Porn'. That is when the fun will start.
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Old 4th Dec 2010, 05:10   #112 (permalink)
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The next step by the British authorities will be to refuse to extradite him to Sweden to stand trial for sex crimes. They'll use some song and dance excuse about him being a Commonwealth citizen but in reality they will be terrified that he'll reveal dark secrets which will draw the eyes of the world away from the US and onto their own not so pristine shores. Perhaps Wikileaks has the answer as to why the British government wasted £15 million of its tax payers' money on a world cup bid and then threw every single bauble out of the cot in a vast international brat blame game when some one better equipped to deal with the weather and the witless was elected.
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yes, rather a surprise that the yard and politicians seem to be dragging their feet somewhat.

However these allegations sound rather dodgy, as from what I understand they were dropped and then resurrected.

The Swedes must be worried that whatever way it turns... not-charged/charged, cleared/convicted it will look bad on them. But.. they seem to be the first player to raise the stakes.
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The meeja seem to be obsessed with the news that Paypal have suspended the Wikileaks account.

Oh well, if he's associated with Paypal he must be up to no good........
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Old 4th Dec 2010, 14:53   #115 (permalink)
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Next step by the authorities will be to make it a jailable offence to download Wikileaks. A bit like 'Kiddy Porn'.
Careful crippen. "They" know who you are. "They" also hold Oleg Nikolaenko, a Russian who ostensibly ran a global network of more than 500,000 virus-infected personal computers. But merely to spread spam luckily...?!

Can you imagine the implications though? A half-million PCs worldwide under the control of some Russian spam-oligarch. Now under the control of some US court. How soon before other US or other agencies get involved under whatever agenda they currently have? They might simply use the same PCs to launch DDoS attacks against Wikileaks. Or upload a large amount of 'Kiddy Porn' onto your hard-drive, where only they will know where to find it, when or if, ever you become a truly "tiresome" individual.

Uhmmm, welcome to the 21st Century.
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I support Mr. Assange...the world can use a little transparency and accountability..
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Old 4th Dec 2010, 19:56   #117 (permalink)
 
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The man is probably a 100% pain in the butt to know, judging by what has been said, but the stuff he has released has been embarrassing to city hall, not dangerous to the general public. we should know this stuff, and 'the authorities' should know that we will get to know it, and learn to use their heads as well as their mouths and confine their reports to fact, not tittle tattle. Most of this stuff seems to be generated by people who feel the need to fill every available empty moment with something, as though they fear that their silence will be regarded as a lack of diligence. The ability to say nothing when there is nothing to say seems to have been lost.

It is a pity that the website seems to have given up publishing the really useful stuff it did before this latest shedload of mostly boring trash was dumped on us.

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Old 4th Dec 2010, 20:02   #118 (permalink)
 
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I support Mr. Assange...the world can use a little transparency and accountability..
Indeed. And in more places than others it seems.

Personally I'm rather hoping that Mr Assange has more friends in low places who are willing to reveal the truth, and the internal emails! about and from, other organisations upon whom doubt has been cast.

Naturally I am not including FIFA in that group of dubious organisations because FIFA are obviously completely clean and beyond any reproach. Moreover, it's clear that none of their voting execs have ever accepted any form of bribe, be it thousands, tens of thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dollars, Swiss Francs or indeed any other currency.

On the other hand, it would be very interesting to know which particular right-minded individuals we should be thanking for sparing us the inconvenience of having overpaid namby-pambies prancing around on our football pitches and many thousands of the great unwashed descend upon our shores to watch their antics

Over to you Mr Assange

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I wonder if Assange considered the law of unintended consequences.
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Old 5th Dec 2010, 06:48   #120 (permalink)
 
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The Swedes must be worried that whatever way it turns... not-charged/charged, cleared/convicted it will look bad on them. But.. they seem to be the first player to raise the stakes.
Or, alternatively, we are following our own laws by investigating serious criminal accusations that were made against him.
One of the reasons Assange had wormed his way into Sweden in the first place is because he thought the justice system wasn't corrupt, and that he'd be fairly safe there. Unfortunately his habit of releasing the trouser snake seems to have affected his status in Sweden now.
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