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Old 29th Nov 2010, 15:57   #41 (permalink)
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Sweden has issued an international arrest warrant for Julian Assange on charges of rape, sexual molestation and unlawful coercion. Mr Assange says that the appearance of the allegations at the time when Wikileaks was about to release their dossiers was 'deeply disturbing'. Apparently both the defence and the prosecution agree that Mr Assange was having consensual sex with someone when the condom broke. The prosecution says that this is rape, the defence says that it isn't. Assange is now rumoured to be in hiding in England.
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And if prosecuted and convicted, he still may have the job. Different position perhaps.


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Old 29th Nov 2010, 16:06   #43 (permalink)
 
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I don't think Assange is the problem. The problem is that there are people to whom state secrets have been entrusted, who think it's a nifty idea to betray the trust they were shown. Maybe they were right to do so.

That is the problem, and has been for some ages: people failing to keep their traps shut.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 16:11   #44 (permalink)
 
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With Wikileaks, he popped the lid for the genie, and now it's out. A silly idealist, out of his depth. He's becoming a 'problem'. I'd not underwrite a policy...... Anyone taking bets?
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I've met Assange a couple of times, and he is without a doubt one of the strangest and scariest people I've come across.
He's a horrible, horrible man - and the only person that Assange cares about is Assange. Thank god we (Sweden) denied him residency.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 17:38   #46 (permalink)
 
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I think it's really funny that you all blame Assange, when he is being given the material by others. I think it funny you blame Assange when he didn't say any of this stuff, heads of Government did.

The people we elect to run our countries tell us one thing and then we find out they were thinking something else. We go to war and many many soldiers die because of 'special relationships', and then really we find out the relationship is not that special. The Governments want to limit your freedom of speech, now we know why. The whole thing about "the actions of Assange and his like could cost lives' is just utter bullS**t. How about the actions of the politicians putting our men and women in harms way for no good reason definitely did cost lives.

Assange may be a horrible person, there are lots of them about, and he may only be interested in his self, so he does have something in common with Bliar, Bush Chenny, Rumsfeld and most other prominent politicians.

So to conclude, the reactions are all really funny!. Read it or don't, nothing will change and world leaders know the score anyway. Getting the info out can only be good. Your tax dollars pay for these thieves and liars. If it wasn't Assange it would be someone else, and if you are one of the "I don't want to read this sh*t" crowd, then simply don't read it.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 18:50   #47 (permalink)
 
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If it wasn't Assange it would be someone else
.. ah there's the thing. It wouldn't be someone else. Apart from one or two BIG leaks, it never has before - and it probably wouldn't be again. Hate the man personally - it doesn't matter. What he has done is use the internet for what it should be for - to tell you what government does with your money in your name.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 21:52   #48 (permalink)
 
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An interesting read: This is interesting: Julian Assange's old blog. via reddit.com

Julian Assange's Old Blog.
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I think it's really funny that you all blame Assange, when he is being given the material by others. I think it funny you blame Assange when he didn't say any of this stuff, heads of Government did.
I think you miss the point and the cause of anger. There will always be people in positions of trust that will break that trust and hand out material they shouldn't. They get found and dealt with under the law.

In the scumbags case he has been given material which he is not meant to have, and decided to publish because of his beliefs. The problem is, specifically with this last lot, a lot of it is private diplomatic communications. This amount to some one recording a conversation between your wife or close friend about your boss or someone else you are dealing with on a professional level.

You my hate that persons guts but still deal with them professionally, that doesn't mean you don't tell your friends in confidence what you think of the person you are dealing with.

Diplomacy is the same thing, you have to deal with people you may despise as if they are your friend. Releasing diplomatic conversations is extremely risky.
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Old 29th Nov 2010, 22:53   #50 (permalink)

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The truth is that is guy doesn't care what happens. If people end up dead over this, it matters to him not. If wars start, which I seriously doubt, he doesn't care.

He demanded his fifteen minutes of fame and he getting them, no matter who is harmed or killed by his actions.
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Old 30th Nov 2010, 00:14   #51 (permalink)
 
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The truth is that is guy doesn't care what happens. If people end up dead over this, it matters to him not. If wars start, which I seriously doubt, he doesn't care.

He demanded his fifteen minutes of fame and he getting them, no matter who is harmed or killed by his actions.
Con, it's interesting you raise that point because a very relevant question was raised by a phone-in listener on our (BBC) Radio 5 programme this morning ..

"How many countries people have China or Iran invaded in the last few decades, and how many people have been harmed or killed in the process?

"And how many countries has the US invaded in the same timeframe, and how many people have been harmed or killed in the process?"

It's worth thinking about to be sure, depending of course on how you feel about the principle of interfering with sovereign states

I agree with you though that Assange doesn't care what happens as the result of his revelations so I think the question that needs to be asked is 'why he doesn't care?'

Could it possibly be anything to do the questions raised in the paragraphs above?

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"How many countries people have China or Iran invaded in the last few decades, and how many people have been harmed or killed in the process?

"And how many countries has the US invaded in the same timeframe, and how many people have been harmed or killed in the process?"
You could counter that with why havn't these countrys invaded others in the time frame. There is always a cause an effect. Iran could, but the consequences would be to great, hence it doesn't. China, it would depend on the country, and what the consequences was, think of that little country, what was its name, "Tibet".

We have all gotten complacent sitting under the skirt of the Yanks, do you really think the world would be better off with out their protection or flawed but human diplomacy?
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Old 30th Nov 2010, 00:31   #53 (permalink)

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Freedom of speech is a right & a privilege but, with it comes a responsibility of when & where to use it. If utilising this right impacts upon someone else's freedom & health, then how free was it?
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Old 30th Nov 2010, 01:00   #54 (permalink)
 
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1) A lot of what is coming out is opinions people have communicated not 'truths'.
2) I would have greater respect for the Wikileaks concept if he had leaks from Russia, N.Korea, AllBranistan, Chile &c and he posted those up too
3) I don't particularly blame him for posting stuff leaked to him nor do I especially think it's wrong.
4) I'm more alarmed that the USA doesn't seem to be able to secure its 'secrets' very well (even if all of these came from one 23 yr old 'Private First Class' with an internet connection that's even worse.
5) As mum said 'If you can't say something good...'
6) As dad said 'If you write it down be happy to stand by it.'

And most of it is out of date - some amusingly so...

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Old 30th Nov 2010, 05:13   #55 (permalink)
 
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"How many countries people have China or Iran invaded in the last few decades, and how many people have been harmed or killed in the process?
Interesting point but also quite ignorant. One does not necessarily have to cross a physical border as an army or militia to do this.

Iran is complicit in many Middle Eastern countries domestic turmoils; most GCC countries want something to be done against Iran as they are heavily involved in exercises intent on destabilising their domestic security and economies.
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Julian must be suffering from the rarefied atmosphere way up there on the moral high ground. I’ve got one word for him – authentication. Can he verify everything he publishes? After all, the burden of proof must rest with the accuser. Give me a couple of weeks and I reckon I could come up with “authentic” documentation “proving” Harold Holt was kidnapped by the CIA and is now living under an assumed identity on a small Pacific island along with Elvis.
Did he really think he wouldn’t p!ss off some very powerful and influential people? For his own sake, he better hope he is picked up by the London Met (he’s hiding in flat in London, right?) or the Australian Federal Police. If the Yanks get him he can expect to be “rendered” where it really hurts!
I read today that the Ecuadorians have offered him sanctuary. If he is stupid enough to give himself over to a South American government, he deserves whatever he gets.
See, that’s the problem with being on the moral high ground – you’re an easy target.
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Old 30th Nov 2010, 08:04   #57 (permalink)
 
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The latest is, he is going to start releasing documents on the private sector.

The term dead man walking comes to mind.
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Old 30th Nov 2010, 11:38   #58 (permalink)
 
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Personal opinion from watching a few telly interviews is that he seems like a manic self publicising nutter.

Seriously though, what he's doing is hardly innovative. Correct me if I'm wrong, but even though he's a computer programmer (aka code monkey), he hasn't scored this info by hacking or other computer whizzery where you go 'geez, he's a great hacker who broke into the FBI servers, even if I don't agree with what he's doing he has a hell of a lot of skill'. What he seems to have done is provided an off-shore repository for disgruntled public servants across the (western) world to leak documents they had agreed to keep secret.

He hasn't created Google, or the PC, or a smartphone, or anything that benefits people with a new service. All he has done is run an online agony aunt website for people that want to leak information. In the 'old' days they would have sent such information to the papers or the TV, where journos would have assessed its credibility, if only to protect themselves from defamation action. He can claim to be doing something new, but really, all he's running is an online tabloid that is unaccountable.

I was loosely involved with an old-school leak (where a frustrated public servant sent classified documents to The Australian newspaper) that led to the prosecution of said public servant, a very expensive government report and many ministerial platitudes about how the government was glad the information had come to light so they could fix everything (while said minister was privately issuing the 'find him and nail his arse to the wall' order for the leakee). Nothing changed, nothing ever does. As said earlier, tell us something we don't know. Governments are treacherous and inefficient, wars are pointless, diplomats lie. We don't need a crazy self publicist to tell us that. We certainly don't need operatives and agents of influence named and their safety jeapordised to tell us that either.

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Old 30th Nov 2010, 13:16   #59 (permalink)
 
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All he does is publishes (on his web site) stuff other people send him.

He isn't writing it or accusing people. He just puts up what is sent to him & make of it what you will.

Frankly if governments can't keep their sh1t under wraps that I think it's just tough.

He might be a total wanqer - he might be a voice of liberty - but if governments (the US esp) could keep their secret stuff secret he wouldn't be able to put it up there would he?
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One of the reasons Assange is able to obtain all that sh1t is because after 9/11 an alphabet soup of US agencies were all accused of concealing information that could have lead to the prevention of the 9/11 acts of terrorism. Subsequently, the government adopted a policy whereby restricted information was to be shared among the various agencies that concern themselves with American security. One whistleblower is therefore able to compromise the confidentiality of all.
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