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Old 10th Jun 2010, 02:23   #1 (permalink)
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A 20-year-old Romanian man had a lucky escape after stowing away on a plane flying from Vienna to London.
The man hid himself in the rear wheel compartment of the plane which landed at Heathrow Airport on Sunday. He was taken into police custody in London but later released without charge.
He survived because the plane flew at a low altitude to avoid stormy weather.
He could have been charged or fined or given a fixed penalty, the Metropolitan Police told the BBC. But he was cautioned and freed with no further action being taken, PA news agency reported.
The man could also have been handed to the UK Border Agency.
But it is understood that there is no immigration issue and that the agency will not seek to deport him, according to PA.
As Romania is part of the EU, the man is free to enter the UK.
From (and more at):- BBC News - Frosty welcome for lucky plane stowaway
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 02:53   #2 (permalink)
 
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is the luggage compartment unpressurised in most large aircraft?
Carriage of animals, in a container, must not be in the passenger cabin of aircraft(According to rules of most countries). Any information related to this?
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 03:19   #3 (permalink)
 
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Shows what a pathetic state the UK immigration policies are! FFS, ignorining for a second the fine the airline will no doup cop for bringing him in, and the damage he could have unintentionly caused to the aircraft - the fact is that he was an ILLEGAL immigrant and should be deported back to the departing country immediatly upon release from police custody. No documents = no entry, no excuses - period. Legal immigration I have no problem with.
Fcuking hell, released without charge and the immigration authories are not seeking to deport him - What has the cuntry come too!
He wasn't an illegal immigrant:
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As Romania is part of the EU, the man is free to enter the UK
I suggest you (a) learn to read, and (b), learn to spell, SASKATOON9999. you may think you live in a 'cuntry', I've actually lived here long enough (all my life actually, like most of my immediate ancestors), to know that it is a 'country'. Personally, if we were to deport anyone, I'd prefer it was you...
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With that kind of luck, I reckon everyone who dealt with him, would have been trying to rub themselves against him, to get some of his Lotto luck...

What would your chances be of surving that trip? 1 in 1,000,000?? Let me see... initially escaped being chewed to bits by a tyre spinning at around 150kts as the undercarriage is being retracted... survived without oxygen, usually needed above 20,000 ft... survived -20°C temperature at FL20?... and then survived a landing that involves flying chunks of tyre rubber being flung into the wheel well??
One really has to wonder at the desperation... or total stupidity... of these stowaways.
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 03:39   #5 (permalink)
 
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His passport and identity cards were checked and found to be valid. He's an EU citizen so how can they deport him? I agree with SGOTD, the guy we need to deport is SASKATOON.
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 03:42   #6 (permalink)
 
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Immigrassi issues aside - shouldn't he be charged with some sort of security related offense?
Or is it OK now for anyone to get onto / into any part of any 'plane they want to anywhere?
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 03:53   #7 (permalink)
 
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shouldn't he be charged with some sort of security related offense
I can't see the point, really. If he has the brains to understand he broke the law, he also has the brains to realise how lucky he was. And if he doesn't, punishing him will be no deterrent.

There might be a case against airport security, but how realistic is it to expect every eventuality to be covered? If you really think you can have a fool-proof system, for security or anything else, you obviously haven't encountered enough fools...
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 04:38   #8 (permalink)
 
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Surely there must be a million easier (and safer) ways to get out of Vienna. I could understand taking the chance if trying to escape somewhere like North Korea, but Vienna? Couldn't you just hitch hike or catch a bus?

Has there been any talk about his mental state?
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 05:05   #9 (permalink)
 
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'Cuntry is a play on the word Country'. Really? How?

The stowaway appears not to have had any idea of where he was trying to get to, so what his 'legitimate purpose' was, beyond not remaining where he started from, I haven't a clue.

He didn't 'enter the country illegally' - as an EU citizen he has a legal right to enter. He may have defrauded the airline, but that is a civil matter. As for 'security implications', I've little to fear from idiots like him, and much more to fear from knee-jerk 'oh-my-god-he's-a foreigner-perhaps-he's-a-terrorist' idiots like you.
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From the local press in Dubai this morning, it seems the flight was not a commercial flight, but a private aircraft which was positioning to London.
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 05:56   #11 (permalink)
 
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much more to fear from knee-jerk 'oh-my-god-he's-a foreigner-perhaps-he's-a-terrorist' idiots like you.
What exactly do you have to fear from SASKATOON or people like him?

Edited to add: We certainly have something to fear from idiots like the stowaway, if only because he might have fallen out and hit some innocent person on the ground.

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There are most likely numerous possible charges relating to trespassing, interfering with the operation of a public carrier, et cetera.

I'll guess that neither the aircraft operator nor the airport wants to press charges for fear that this moron will in turn sue for personal injury citing negligence on someone else's part.

"My {whatever} is now {condition} and it's all because they allowed me to stow away."

Shame about the weather that day...



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There might be a case against airport security, but how realistic is it to expect every eventuality to be covered?
Some Guy - for as damn inconvenient as security has become, they should be all over this like white on rice.

As a paying pax / enthusiast, I am no longer allowed to accompany a pilot on a walkaround, and would be tackled should I stick my little toe out on the ramp.

What gives a stowaway more privilege?

edited: ranting @ some guy
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 06:43   #13 (permalink)
 
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Immigrassi issues aside - shouldn't he be charged with some sort of security related offense?
Or is it OK now for anyone to get onto / into any part of any 'plane they want to anywhere?
As long as he wasn't carrying more than 500ml of liquids in 100ml separate bottles he's probably fine. Did he take is belt and shoes off though....?

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Old 10th Jun 2010, 06:46   #14 (permalink)
 
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I am with Saskatoon and Etrang on this.

Apart from dropping and injuring an innocent person(s) or damaging property the next time somebody attempts this they may harbour ill-intent and in the event they were able to evade the authorities then who knows what might happen.

EU citizen and the right to enter the UK sure, return him to his country of origin or residence pointing out that if he wants to enter the UK, there are appropriate and legal methods to do so.

Pretty simple I would have thought!
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 07:01   #15 (permalink)
 
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I suggest you (a) learn to read, and (b), learn to spell, SASKATOON9999
Lol yeah absolutely...

"ignorining"...
"doup"...
"unintentionly"...
"immediatly"...
"authories"...
"cuntry"...

Hard to take anybody seriously when they are basically illiterate...
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 07:55   #16 (permalink)
 
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AFAIK Romanians are allowed to enter the UK for holidays without any restrictions. If they want work, the situation is more complicated. Yes, Romania is in the EU, but there are quotas on entry to the UK from Romania which were introduced after the Polish debacle. Given that situation, he has entered illegally and as others have said, should have been returned to his country of origin.
The business about paying the carrier, mentioned in previous posts, is misunderstood. The aircraft belongs to the Dubai royal family and was on a positioning flight VIE-LHR.
What does concern me is that this young man was interviewed found to be of previous good character (my italics) and released. I don't think I'd want to rely on any criminal records the Romanian authorities might hold as evidence of good character or otherwise. He is now free and presumably living at our expense, or perhaps catching our much-revered swans for food, as many of his countrymen have been doing recently.
One further point. Did this young man have some idea of where this aircraft was going when he stowed away? If it had been going back to Dubai and supposing for a nanosecond that he had survived the flight, he would have had a very different reception and he must have been aware of that.
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 07:55   #17 (permalink)
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Why is it when some people disagree with a persons post, they start shouting about his spelling? It would be much more to the point if they demolished his posting with reasoned argument, but I do realise that does take a degree of intelligence.
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 07:58   #18 (permalink)
 
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Irrespective of his passport details - He attempted to enter the UK illegally. I.e., he attempted to enter the UK outside of the normal channels of walking past an immigration officer and presenting said passport at the counter.
Perfectly reasonable and well worth the risk.

On the other hand, he left Vienna for London. He is clearly a psychopath suffering from delusions.

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Old 10th Jun 2010, 08:12   #19 (permalink)

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aditya104 the hold is normally pressurised but not heated. When animals are carried the heating can be switched on; AKA the dead dog switch

Billy Connolly's story about the stowaway falling into Edinburgh Zoo is bought to mind.

The guy is a stowaway and should have been treated as stowaways were on ships in the past, Roll out the plank
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Old 10th Jun 2010, 08:23   #20 (permalink)
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Agreed, but it still shows an inferior mind though.
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