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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 03:13   #8681 (permalink)
 
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What's up with TM, is she trying to lose the advantages she had going in? As I understand it she wanted to annihilate the labour party and increase her support so her plans were unassailable. So why would she decline to confirm continuing the pension undertkings and talk about new or increased taxes?

The only strategy that looks half sensible would be that she was getting all the less pleasant announcements out of the way at the very beginning of the campaign so they don't turn up later.

Or am I seeing false news?
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 04:06   #8682 (permalink)
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TM was seriously against Brexit before the vote and voted against it, maybe she sees this as her last chance to create a complete dog's breakfast with people voting in all strange directions producing very mixed results so that she can step aside and leave the mess and Brexit to someone else to sort out?
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 05:20   #8683 (permalink)
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May is an old fashioned One Nation Tory in the mould of Ted Heath and wants to steal a lot of Labour policies - and their voters. That means spending more, and therefore higher taxes, which, as the Chancellor when tried to raise NI, is nigh impossible under the Cameron manifesto.

Taking out the promise not to raise tax and the pension triple lock promises frees her hands to tax/spend as she needs - and she can get away with it as everyone knows a Labour government would tax far more, as would any coalition containing the LibDems.

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May parks her battle tanks on Labour’s lawn

Theresa May will attempt to capture the political centre ground by slashing 100 from the energy bills of 17m families and granting new rights for workers.

The prime minister will use the Conservative manifesto, to be published on May 8, to cap the gas and electricity bills for the seven out of 10 households that pay standard variable tariffs — dubbed a rip-off by watchdogs. The policy is a centrepiece of a manifesto that will set out a bold social vision for Britain that parks Tory tanks on terrain usually occupied by Labour. Senior ministers say May will also outflank Jeremy Corbyn with reforms to workers’ rights to protect them against rogue bosses.

Details of the plans emerged as:

■ a YouGov poll for The Sunday Times gave May a commanding 23-point lead over Labour — 48% to 25% — putting the Tories on course for a three-figure majority

■ voters said they trusted the prime minister more than Corbyn to run the NHS

■ a new poll in Scotland found the Conservatives could win as many as 12 seats while Labour faces a wipeout north of the border, potentially derailing the push for a fresh independence referendum..........

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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 06:15   #8684 (permalink)

 
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Labour faces a wipeout north of the border, potentially derailing the push for a fresh independence referendum.
Labour are the only opposition in Scotland. A wipeout would strengthen the Natties, not weaken the buggers.

There exists only one Tory MP North of the border and his constituency is quite literally borderline.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 07:07   #8685 (permalink)
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Cazalet33, polling shows the Conservatives will take about 12 seats in Scotland.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/s...ence-0kwxzclfw

Scotland’s once “toxic Tories” are poised for a remarkable general election breakthrough which could derail the SNP’s independence campaign, according to an exclusive poll for The Sunday Times.

The Panelbase survey of 1,029 voters in Scotland — the first Scottish poll since Theresa May called a snap election — points to a surge in support that would take the Conservatives to 33%, up 18 points from two years ago.It amounts to their strongest showing north of the border since the days of Sir Edward Heath’s government in the 1970s before the steep decline associated with Margaret Thatcher and subsequent Tory leaders unpopular among Scots.

With the Tories on course to increase their Scottish representation at Westminster from one to 12, the SNP’s deputy leader Angus Robertson is one of several high-profile Scottish nationalist MPs who could be ousted.In what would be a blow for Nicola Sturgeon and the independence movement, the SNP on 44% — down six points from its 2015 general election result — would emerge with 45 seats, 11 fewer than last time.

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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 07:17   #8686 (permalink)
 
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Corbyn is promising four new public holidays. Here are some proposals.

The Hamas day, with mortar bomb workshops for kiddies, next to the Israeli embassy.
The Chavez economic success day, where people celebrate by flushing money down the toilet.
The Castro human rights day. For the full experience spend the day in jail, pretending to be a journalist. Beatings optional.
The IRA day. Take a young mother to a remote hillside, torture her then bury her alive.

Fun for all the Labour family.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 07:25   #8687 (permalink)
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Harsh....... but fair.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 07:55   #8688 (permalink)
 
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TM was seriously against Brexit before the vote and voted against it, maybe she sees this as her last chance to create a complete dog's breakfast with people voting in all strange directions producing very mixed results so that she can step aside and leave the mess and Brexit to someone else to sort out?
No she wasn't. She has always been Eurosceptic and she was a luke-warm Remainer in the referendum campaign, conspicuous by her absence from the public presentation of the Remain campaign.

What she shows herself to be is, in fact, a very canny political operator. She says little or nothing, preferring to ponder a while then, ....boom.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 08:31   #8689 (permalink)
 
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I always voted tory. Not this June I wont be because of the mineless continuation of foreign aid and hitting the OAP's. If you make a promise, then keep that promise!

UKIP will get my vote this time round.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 08:37   #8690 (permalink)
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 09:07   #8691 (permalink)
 
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I always voted tory. Not this June I wont be because of the mineless continuation of foreign aid and hitting the OAP's. If you make a promise, then keep that promise!

UKIP will get my vote this time round.
No political promise can be kept in perpetuity. They should be downgraded or ignored anyway as, above all, politicians need to be pragmatic. Once they are in office reality intervenes.

I, a pensioner, can see that the triple-lock on state pensions cannot be justified while non-pensioners struggle to make ends meet, pay off mortgages and save enough for their own post-employment lives. I won't call it retirement because I'm not retired and don't wish to be. It's such a depressing expression with connotations of inactivity and disengagement from life.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 10:14   #8692 (permalink)
 
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As the UK is in the red, we are borrowing to pay the foreign aid. Is that sound economics? I dont think so.
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I never thought I'd say this, but "I agree with Paul Nuthall"!

He is absolutely right as regards burkas, hijabs, and any full face covering garments - such as full face balaclavas. They should be banned in public.

I also agree with him regarding sharia law in UK, but unlike him I would also draw the line at any other "kangaroo courts" such as those run by Jews, and other religions.

There can be but one law in the UK (well 2, Scottish and English), plus interventions from the ECJ and ECHR as appropriate.

That said, his party has absolutely no chance of getting my cross against his candidate in the upcoming election.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 10:46   #8694 (permalink)

 
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The amount we invest in overseas aid is tiny when compared to the bloated military spending on nutty foreign wars and insane projects like the Blaircraft carriers and Trident2 and the F35 and silly numbers of Tiffies.

A much more rational policy would be to bring the overseas aid and defence budgets into line with eachother. Each Pound spent on warmongering should be matched by a Pound invested peacefully.

Our insane war against Iraq was a disaster. So was the equally bonkers war against Afghanistan. The much cheaper war against Libya was equally disastrous for the Libyans and the insane war against Syria is heading the same way.
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I never thought I'd say this, but "I agree with Paul Nuthall"!

He is absolutely right as regards burkas, hijabs, and any full face covering garments - such as full face balaclavas. They should be banned in public.
Sounds fine in principle, but entirely impractical.

You'd have Islamist hardliners sending out their women in face coverings as a deliberate taunt. UKIP/BNP supporters out on the streets to protest, and police having to sort out the mess. A recipe for civil disorder.
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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 12:20   #8696 (permalink)
 
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...I would also draw the line at any other "kangaroo courts" such as those run by Jews, and other religions.
Where would you stop? Does 'other religions' also include the ecclesiastical courts of e.g. Church of England? And if so, why not then also sports' disciplinary boards and other professional bodies?

Just asking.

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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 12:35   #8697 (permalink)

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Where would you stop? Does 'other religions' also include the ecclesiastical courts of e.g. Church of England? And if so, why not then also sports' disciplinary boards and other professional bodies?

Just asking.

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And all sorts of private clubs which settle issues about their rules internally without the insane cost and hassle of going to court every time.

Point about all of these is that if you join the club/religion you're agreeing to sign up to their rules. And if you later change your mind and decide you no longer like the rules you're free to leave at any time.
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Sounds fine in principle, but entirely impractical.

You'd have Islamist hardliners sending out their women in face coverings as a deliberate taunt. UKIP/BNP supporters out on the streets to protest, and police having to sort out the mess. A recipe for civil disorder.
Civil disorder might be the least of our problems if islamisation is not stopped in its tracks.
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Point about all of these is that if you join the club/religion you're agreeing to sign up to their rules. And if you later change your mind and decide you no longer like the rules you're free to leave at any time.
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Shouldn't that post be over on the Brexit hampsterwheel(sic) thread?

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Old 23rd Apr 2017, 12:56   #8700 (permalink)
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Civil disorder might be the least of our problems if islamisation is not stopped in its tracks.
If everyone accepts Islamisation, there will be no need for civil disorder.

Was there civil disorder when Christianity was introduced?
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