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Brick..
" He didn't kill because he was upset at the actions of an individual. He killed because he didn't like the policies of his government. After taking the money, training, and honor bestowed upon him as an officer and a doctor.
Fits my definition of terrorist. " .......
you're easily pleased then because, as far as I am aware, I have yet to read any reports that offer unequivocal and incontrovertible factual evidence that he was a bode fide terrorist who had infiltrated the US Army with the sole intention of commiting this act......could be wrong of course.
The other question for you....sorry to be so irksome you understand...is, how, exactly, do you know the opening quote from yourself is true please?....rather than say, wishful speculation or mere illogical thought processes on your part.
Michael, I'll give you that one and suggest to Ned that pressing [Ctrl] and using the scroll wheel for page magnification might help without making him look like a green-ink writer.
Where did Brickhistory suggest Hasan "... had infiltrated the US Army with the sole intention of commiting this act"? I missed that bit, and am curious as to his reasoning.
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Tim,
Brick never suggested as much.....but his definition of a terrorist is not one I subscribe to.....and as I say, there is no evidence in the public domain to suggest he was one........so why label him as such ( which Brick does) when the motive for the killings has yet to be established and proven.
So you were just attacking Brick for something he never said at all?
There is a lot of such evidence, such as his previously expressed views and the reports of him shouting "Allahu Akbar", or "God is great" as he shot people. On the other hand the only other case being advanced, and being pushed by a lot of left-wing news media, is that he broke due to combat stress. The fact that he had not actually been in combat is pretty strong evidence against that. Serious anti-Islamic harassment is not only unlikely by the evidence I provided, it is far from sufficient to trigger a shooting spree in a senior officer, especially one who never mentioned it to the Islamic organisation for the US military.
Not proven for sure, but goofing around in the apparel of islam in the store security video and his reported shouts of his team slogan during the slaughter, pretty much seals it for me.
Pretty obvious for those that care to actually "see"
Shit that reminds me, my "Braveheart" gear is still in the cleaners and New Year is rabidly approaching.
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Tim,
I'm not attacking Brick at all.......just read his quote however and what he implies as being a terrorist criteria does not exactly fit the role model now does it?.....so, an easy label to attach simply to have a "just cause" for retribution.....when, heaven forbid, there may be numerous issues involved that we are wholly unaware of at present.
Little adage for you....drummed into me and a few hundred thousand others over the years c/o HM RAF......"never assume, check".....applicable as much to flight safety as to many other areas of life wouldn't you say?.
Well you could say that in a non-violent, secular, anti-extreme religionist kinda way
I wear my alleged Traditional Scottish garb as a source of entertainment at New Year and the like. We have some laughs.
I do not wear it to display the fact that I am clearly "the other" and separate from all that is around me, like some kind of creepy national flag of despair.
Except that you did attack what you strongly implied Brick had said.
"... just read his quote however and what he implies as being a terrorist criteria does not exactly fit the role model now does it" WTF? That makes no sense at all, however it is read. What role model? What exactly is Brick implying as "terrorist criteria"? You implied that the original intention in joining the army must have been terrorism, which Brick never mentioned.
I get nervous when the why's of the event overpower the event itself.
AQ has stated (at least as reported in the media) that it plans to play small ball (US term, look it up) in addition to the grander events it's been known for, this fitting that definition. A Muslim shouts god is great (allegedly) and shoots and kills many and wounds many others. If this had taken place in a street in Iraq it would be chalked up to terrorism and it would be acknowledged for what it was.
That he held an advanced degree and a commission (AQ's number two is a doctor as well) seems to sway some of the luvvies to seek out some ulterior motive besides terrorism. Had he been a school drop out with a suicide belt he's likely not done much better in terms of casualties. Don't let a commission and medical training fool you into anything other than acknowledging that he is a smart terrorist. Don't let him being US born fool you into anything. Google Adam Gadahn. Find he was born in Southern California and enjoyed a middle income upbringing, much the same as myself only a handful of miles away.
As much as many would love to dig deep into his psyche and chalk this up to some extreme cry for help, or use it for some political gain see it for what it was, a terrorist act. Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it's a duck. Not all terrorists have the same homogeneous history of growing in a Muslim country and studying at a madras run by soon looney cleric.
Well whatever his motive if reports are accurate it was certainly premeditated. Gave much of his belongings away, refused to claim the deposit on his rented apartment, farewell messages. If, as seems likely, he recovers I'm sure we'll find out how he justifies this.
Somewhat worrying are the reports of casualties caused by friendly fire.
Press conference under way. While not completely confirmed, at this time there is absolutely on indication of any casualties being due to friendly fire.
Further supporting evidence that Hasan's motive was Islamist comes from the nature of a mosque he attended. It appears that the mosque's Imam was a Wahhabist, and that it hosted several talks by an Islamic truther. The mosque's website has a link for visitors to a description of Islam, that description is written by a man currently awaiting trial for funding terrorism.
So it appears that, as in many of the cases of Islamic terror, Hasan is linked to the Wahhabi sect and philosophical influence of terrorist groups.
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