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Old 19th Aug 2011, 17:49   #241 (permalink)
 
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This opens up a number of issues.

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I find it incredible that loyal, white South Africans remain stoic and on post.
And their alternatives are what? There is a misconception that all white people in Africa are 'settlers', this being a cornerstone of Mugabe's racist policies, and his stupid little puppet, Julius Malema. Most whites do not have another passport, for numerous reasons it would be difficult or impossible for them to go elsewhere, and they don't wish to leave their country - and it is their country - one of the most beautiful in the world, and with an incredibly high quality of life.

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a racist enclave run by unreconstructed neanderthals
I'd say that applies more now than it did prior to 1994. But then of course I'm frequently called 'racist' for stating the unpalatable truth. This, with his 5 wives and about 25 (known) children is far closer to an unreconstructed neanderthal than any of the Nats, including P W Botha or Hendrik Verwoerd, evil as they may have been. Can I also remind you that this is the man, with a record of fraud and corruption, who had unprotected non-consensual sex with an HIV positive woman and later stated that as he had a shower afterwards he could not have beocme infected.

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it was one of the most prosperous nations in the world,
Ironically, it still has one of the most stable and well run economies in the world and a very well regulated banking and finance sector.

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and a nation where native Africans had the highest standard of living, education, and outlook for a better future than in all the rest of Africa.
That was also true, along with Rhodesia, but they've reduced all that to ash and rubble.

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There is a proposal, put forward by Desmond Tutu, to impose a wealth tax on the white population.
After many years of loathing despising that odious little man, who used the pulpit to preach politics, I was beginning to recover some respect for him for having the balls to criticise Robert Mugabe and Julius Malema. That's now out of the window.

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My empathy with South Africans is borne somewhat by the wistful and forlorn regrets of that which transpires in the United States today.

Once a great nation, a hope for the world, now reduced to debt, despondence, and scrappling for a share of the world's crumbs, like everyone else.

We, too, rejected our inheritance in the name of egalitarianism, where the rich pay their fair share, and the not rich get something for nothing.

No matter how many times the lesson is taught, we seem to be condemned to learning it once, and I'm fairly certain, many times more, again.

Wanna know what rich is? Look to China, where if you want to give a day's work for a day's pay, the opportunities abound.
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Old 25th Aug 2011, 20:29   #243 (permalink)
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Justice Mogoeng Mogoeng is appointed Chief Justice and with that appointment South Africa reasserts itself as a bastion of moral rectitude.


South Africa rights groups condemn Jacob Zuma's choice of top judge | World news | The Guardian

The photograph in the Guardian article is not that of the Judge.

On the appointment of a Chief Justice – Constitutionally Speaking
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 05:07   #244 (permalink)
 
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Mogoeng Mogoeng
Henceforth to be known as judge moego! Of course his unwarranted "promotion" now means that Zuma can add potentially add another one of his cronies to the list of justices in the court. Slowly he will change the social and political 'complexion' of the court.

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Old 26th Aug 2011, 07:27   #245 (permalink)
 
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de Vos is one of those backing up Tutu IINM. Makes you wonder just how confused the whole thing is in SA. So many factions jockeying for position, when it goes pear shaped there's going to be one hell of a bang.
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Old 26th Aug 2011, 07:53   #246 (permalink)
 
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Whats is the take on the upcoming SKA (Square Kilometer array) decision. SA got any chance?
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Pollies are hopeful, but then they probably stand to gain from it. Security in Oz may be a simpler matter than here. One particular VOR was stolen so many times they eventually moved it elsewhere safer and changed the entire set of plates. I've seen runway lights (portable) wander into the bush under their own power while on final approach, within three minutes of them being laid out for a medevac.
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There's a school of thought, especially among huggy fluffy's that putting it there would help the nation as a whole, bit like the Gemini's etc in Chile. Could almost fall for that myself, except if the place was going to go the way Of Mugabe land.
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On a more postive note ref. SA and the SKA.

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16 August 2011 - The MeerKAT radio telescope being built by the South African team preparing South Africa's bid for hosting the Square Kilometre Array (SKA) has passed its first test with flying colours
Square Kilometre Array (SKA) Africa
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On a more postive note ref. SA and the SKA.
The Chinese are busy assembling the rest of our 36 dishes, we also did eVLBI the other month once the fibre was hooked up.
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Only one Gemini in Chile, rh200, the other's in Hawai`i (I was UK project manager for Gemini). ESO, VISTA and ALMA are the other biggies just now.
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You are of course correct, sloppy language by me as always
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Doubt Joe Average will get much out of it, Mr Rh. No doubt there will be a land buying spree in the area if the ruling elite get wind of it going to SA and many new tenderpreneurs with ANC links will spring up to milk the new cash cow by loading prices and then getting in contractors to do the actual work.
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Old 27th Aug 2011, 06:59   #254 (permalink)
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Contracts?
That's Joseph Malema isn't it?
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The biggest threat to SA's SKA bid is the potential use of fracking in the area despite what the politicians say.

http://www.iol.co.za/scitech/science/environment/fracking-will-not-jeopardise-ska-bid-1.1073583

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The Ministry of Science and Technology has moved to assure the public that controversial plans for hydraulic fracking in the central Karoo will not threaten the country’s chances of hosting the world’s largest radio telescope – the Square Kilometre Array (SKA).


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“We will ensure that the SKA is not jeopardised by the proposed fracking,” Deputy Science and Technology Minister Derek Hanekom said on Tuesday. “We will ensure that none of our environmental considerations, water, resource considerations, or our astronomy endeavours will be jeopardised by proposed hydraulic fracturing.”
http://www.itweb.co.za/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=46427:fracking-moratorium-extended&tmpl=component&print=1


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Val Munsami, deputy director-general for research development and innovation at the Department of Science and Technology (DST), previously said the shale gas initiative leaves a big question around the SKA.


At a Parliamentary Portfolio Committee meeting earlier this year, he said the department is concerned about the exploration from an SKA perspective.

“In terms of international lobbying strategies, it's starting to creep in. The international partners are asking questions about where this is going and how it will impact the SKA.”



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The biggest threat to SA's SKA bid is the potential use of fracking in the area despite what the politicians say.

Good to see both country's share the same sort of issue's. Our original site was centred at Milura station, a few hundred Km's east where it is now. Unfortunitly some company found it viable to mine Iron ore nearby, hence where the new site is. They have got all sorts of legislation protecting it now so in theory that shouldn't be a problem again
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While Zuma continues to posture around the unfreezing of Libyan assets in SA and bemoans the fact that the West shows no respect for the African Union, that very union continues to give us reasons for its moral illigitimacy.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/africa/african-summit-raises-fraction-of-14bn-famine-fund-2345159.html

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African leaders have come under fierce criticism after a much-delayed African Union summit to tackle the food crisis in the Horn of Africa raised less than 4 per cent of the shortfall needed. Only four heads of state – from Ethiopia, Somalia, Djibouti and Equatorial Guinea – attended the meeting, designed to gather urgently needed funds to help save the nearly 13 million people now at risk of starvation on the continent.

Only 21 out of the 54 countries in the AU made pledges, with $20m of the $46m promised coming from three states – Algeria, Angola and Egypt. Aid groups say they need $1.4bn to meet the shortfall in tackling the emergency. Jean Ping, chairman of the AU commission, announced the summit had raised more than $350m, but the bulk of the sum was in fact a $300m loan from the African development bank and not a grant at all.

Small countries such as Gabon and the Gambia pledged sums way above what was expected from the size of their economies, but several bigger nations donated paltry sums. Aid experts are particularly disappointed with the amounts pledged from oil-rich countries such as Nigeria, which promised $2m, and from South Africa, supposedly the continent's economic powerhouse, which offered $1.3m.
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I saw T-Bone in the paper today bitching about how the AU
should not recognise the new government in Libya if it ever
eventuates. What's his story? Thought he'd disappeared off
the political map.
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Adieu Gaddafi?
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Free farms and equipment = no support. And Malema wants to grab the lot.

Words fail me.

Black farmers in South Africa selling farms back to whites, in failure of land reform | StarTribune.com

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Black farmers in South Africa selling farms back to whites, in failure of land reform

JOHANNESBURG - South Africa's minister of land reform says black farmers have resold nearly 30 percent of the white farmland bought for them by the government — often back to the previous white owners.

Minister Gugile Nkwinti announced the startling indicator of failure at Wednesday's launch of a long-delayed government policy paper to revitalize plans to more equitably distribute agricultural land, redressing historical wrongs. Seventeen years after white minority rule ended, the vast majority of agricultural land remains in the hands of some 40,000 white commercial farmers.

Nkwinti said the government had bought 7 percent of the country's commercial farmland since 1994. He said black farmers had resold about 2 percent.

Many black farmers have failed for lack of support.

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