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Old 16th Mar 2009, 13:15   #21 (permalink)

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Originally Posted by Bern Oulli
Unfortunately it can only truly exist in a 4-dimensional universe.
Would this be a different 4-dimensional universe to the normal one that you and I live in?

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width, length, depth ...... and time.
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Old 16th Mar 2009, 17:09   #22 (permalink)
 
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But Whirls,
Surely the length= depth? Time is just a matter of practice and concentration...
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Orac's Waterfall image is a good analogy of current Government economic 'logic'.
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Old 17th Mar 2009, 02:49   #24 (permalink)
 
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Ok, time for a topic hijack sorta. With all this stuff about Mobius strips, has anybody read any of Larry Niven's Ringworld series?
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Old 17th Mar 2009, 07:01   #25 (permalink)
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Ringworld? Poor man's Dyson sphere.....

Much preferred A Mote in God's Eye.
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Old 17th Mar 2009, 11:39   #26 (permalink)

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Read all the Ringworld but prefer Iain M Banks these days. Lots of mini ringworld 'Orbitals' in the Culture.
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Old 17th Mar 2009, 13:34   #27 (permalink)
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Why mess with a Ringworld when there's a Discworld to play with?
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Old 11th Aug 2010, 00:58   #28 (permalink)
 
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Thinking of these curvey things....

Have a look at this guy, a weird speech but dynamic and fun nonetheless. My question, how the hell would you create a mobuis curve from glass?

I like his *jug* too

Clifford Stoll: 18 minutes with an agile mind | Spoken Gems: Speeches, Lectures, Monologues
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I found his website...
Acme's Top Mouth Erlenmeyer Klein Bottle

What a cool decanter or wine bottle that would be!
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Old 11th Aug 2010, 01:44   #30 (permalink)
 
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If you cut along the middle of a Mobius strip, you get...

And this is pretty, even if it's not much to do with the lad:

Thingy.
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I'm going to over-think your question:

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If you cut along the middle of a Mobius strip, you get...
1. You would cut air if t'was the *middle*
OR
2. You would get a flat strip since you cut the strip and it now has truly defined edges, i.e. two surfaces
OR
3. TWO mobius curves

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Old 11th Aug 2010, 04:30   #32 (permalink)
 
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If I wanted to be dizzy and confused, I'd get drunk.
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Old 11th Aug 2010, 04:41   #33 (permalink)
 
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or read jetblast.
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Old 11th Aug 2010, 05:51   #34 (permalink)
 
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M. C. Escher...

He is the artist who did that work on the first page, here. He did some amazing woodcuts that play with perspective.

Escher reproductions used to be a given, along with one of those Mateus wine bottles made into a candle-holder and an avocado pit suspended in a festering bowl of water by three toothpicks, in any given college dorm room of a certain sort of freshman girl. With the right name-checks sexual congress was also a given. Allegedly!

If you can remember the Sixties you weren't there...
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Old 11th Aug 2010, 07:44   #35 (permalink)
 
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If you cut along the middle of a Möbius loop you get one loop, but with a double twist in it.

If you then cut along the middle again, you get two strips, but linked together.
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Old 11th Aug 2010, 08:31   #36 (permalink)
 
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It is much easier to construct a Möbius strip and see all this for yourself, when "seeing is believing." Paper, glue and scissors is all you need.

There are all sorts of surprises lurking if you just take the time to experience them, such as the blind spot in our vision. For that one you just need one eye and a piece of paper with a dot on it.

Another fun thing is to play with is the logic of guessing what is behind "Door Number Three": Take three doors, One, Two and Three. Behind one of the three there is a bag of gold, behind another a goat. You guess "One" for example, when I then tell you that the goat is behind "Two." Does it pay to make a different guess for the bag of gold, now that you know that? (If you don't have ready access to a bag of gold and a goat you can play this game with three cups and two different objects.)
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Old 11th Aug 2010, 11:11   #37 (permalink)
 
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My mind...

is cut into fourths
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Better than being halved into three.
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